Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Pangean]

He loves himself, but he hates that Trump guy that keeps saying things he has to walk back. Remember, there are two Trumps according to Trump.

Lol I wonder what he is like in front of a mirror as that plays out.

[Thepersona]

Lol I wonder what he is like in front of a mirror as that plays out.

he has an inner trump, that sometimes, when he's losing, comes out in order to obliterate everything (including his campaign).
that inner trump is the real source of his powers, but the other manifestation, called the donald keeps a buffer between them. (sorry had to make a bleach comparisson, it was too easy)

[Felya]

He wants to make it more profitable in US - once he is elected. But while it is not he keeps getting profits elsewhere.

No shit he does... That's the point... It won't make US more profitable, it will make Trump more profitable.

Just as Clinton Foundation only promises to stop taking foreign donations after she gets elected - and keeps getting them now. Does that mean Clinton doesn't care about America?

You are comparing donations to a none profit, to Trump's personal gain. That is an absurd comparison. Clinton foundation getting donations from other countries, has no impact on jobs or US economy. The issue isn't the rhetoric from either on caring about America, but that the demands Trump is making are ones even you just stated are for personal gain. When Hillary starts running a campaign whose large focus is making Americans donate more to none profits, instead of foreign countries, you'll have a point. Until then, all you are doing is pointing away from Trump, even when your pointing makes no sense what so ever.

He is still creating jobs in America. Trump properties in US (which is majority of his properties) employ Americans.

So does every single American company that outsources, just like Trump. If that's what you claim it takes to make a corporation defended as not sending jobs over seas, then there isn't a single company in US that outsources. Your excuse for Trump, now negates his entire point. It makes it so the problem he claim, doesn't exist. You cannot argue both, that having a lot if workers in US, should make outsourcing irrelevant, and that outsourcing is a problem, because that removes all US companies from that criteria. It makes outsourcing represent something that doesn't exist.

Saying that one property outside US negates everything is ridiculous strawman.

No, saying that I'm actually making the above point, is actually a rediculous strawman. The reality you seem to be having issues with, is that even single piece of shit in your sendwitch of 12 ingridents, is still you eating shit, when you eat that sanwitch. It is you who is making the case of having US employees, means that the outsourcing and globalization Trump complains about, should be ignored. Trump is part of the very globalization he complains about, because he participates in it. All of your excuses render the term globalization meaningless...

It doesn't. Seriously, show chain of reasoning that gets you to this conclusion.

Is having a lot of employees in your home country, mean that the employees you have in other countries are not globalization? Because, if you agree, you negate the meaning of globalization, as it would remove just about every corporation that is active in globalization from being counted, or that your defense of Trumo is moot, because him having even a single business in another country, means he participates in the very thing you claim he does not. So, your choice, you are full of shit, Trump is, or both of you... There is no room for anything else...

[zenkai]

Well done!

But when you "pander" to somebody based on race, thats not racism. It's targeting a demographic.

Now that you've mastered the word racism, go and look up ironic.

Pandering because of someones race is racist, you are making predetermination about someone based on their race.

[Pangean]

he has an inner trump, that sometimes, when he's losing, comes out in order to obliterate everything (including his campaign).
that inner trump is the real source of his powers, but the other manifestation, called the donald keeps a buffer between them. (sorry had to make a bleach comparisson, it was too easy)

Lol, now that was funny.

[FeedsOnDevTears]

Donald is now saying he wont deport illegals if they haven't commited any crimes. So he is either lying to them or lying to the people who elected him to the R Nominee.

It's Donald. He's probably lying to everyone. Or he's got dementia and doesn't know WTF he's saying.

[DeadmanWalking]

Pandering because of someones race is racist, you are making predetermination about someone based on their race.

He panders to highschool educated white people all the time, but I guess by your definition trying to pander to black people is racist because black people should act like regular people?

[zenkai]

He panders to highschool educated white people all the time, but I guess by your definition trying to pander to black people is racist because black people should act like regular people?

You shouldn't pander to anyone based on their race, pick your race, I feel the same way.

[Lenonis]

I can't help but wonder if Trump turns away from some of his core messages that his base loves -- especially around immigration and the wall -- if he'll start losing his base as well. Which once again brings up the notion that he's trying very hard to not win -- without being totally obvious about it.

It's a little disconcerting that no one can seem to explain his behavior -- which brings up giant questions of how he'd act if he did win. I'm not sure unpredictability is a trait you really want in a president.

[DeadmanWalking]

It's Donald. He's probably lying to everyone. Or he's got dementia and doesn't know WTF he's saying.

It is more along the lines of, "I need Latino votes to win, so what do I need to say to win because I really want to be president. I'll say and do anything to win the presidency."

I saw a meme on facebook yesterday describing the Trump sandwiche, white bread, full of baloney with russian dressing and a small pickle. :P

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You shouldn't pander to anyone based on their race, pick your race, I feel the same way.

Were you complaining about pandering to a race being racist when he was pandering to white people to win the nomination?

[Pangean]

Another commentary on Trump's latest charm offensive.

Fear and Loathing (of Black People)

To hear the mainstream media tell it, Donald Trump has spent the last week in a stumbly and maybe not terribly effectual outreach to black people. As I noted over the weekend, Republican faux-outreach to African-Americans with the goal of mollifying moderate or educated white voters is a tried and true political move. There's nothing remotely new about it. The problem for Trumpers, as I noted in this piece, is that they have a hard time even staying in character, randomly blurting out angry slurs while trying to execute their faux-outreach. But there's something a deeper and darker going on with Trump himself. It's not just off-tone. It's not just rants at African-Americans from lily-white suburbs. What Trump's doing amounts to trying to rebrand dehumanization verging on hate speech as 'outreach'.

Trump first got attention with his "What do you have to lose?" line to African-American voters. But as he's refined the vocabulary, tuned them with his diehard audiences, he's built a vision of African-American life as a kind of violence porn.

Consider some of Trump's recent statements about African-American life in this country.

"You're living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs. 58 percent of your youth is unemployed."

(Note that you get this 58% number if you include all African-American high schoolers as unemployed; by the same metric white youth has 50% unemployment.

In North Carolina Trump said African-Americans should vote for him because "the inner cities are so bad."

You live in "broken homes."

Last night: "It is a disaster the way African-Americans are living."

"You walk down the street, you get shot."

In the course of his speech 'appealing' to African-American voters, he riffed, "You can go to war zones in countries that we are fighting and it is safer than living in some of our inner cities that are run by the Democrats."

I've heard some people describe this as a problem of tone or hyperbole. There are obviously numerous ways to fact-check this garbage. The overwhelming majority of African-Americans do not "live in poverty" - despite that fact that the poverty rate among African-Americans is almost triple that of whites. But all of this misses the point. Trump portrays African-American life as drenched in violence, devoid of any vitality or promise, quite simply, as he puts it, a "disaster." Along the way is thundering subtext that black voters are incapable of rational political action. The vocabulary, affect and tone signal nothing so much as contempt. "What the hell do you have to lose?" In other words, why do you insist on destroying yourselves?

For Trump, every black American is living in a bombed out housing project circa 1973. And despite the country's historically low crimes rates, urban crime isn't at 1980s levels in the Trump world. It's the Watts, Newark and Detroit riots all at once and everyday in every central city in the country.

It's not too much to say that you could lift Trump's version of African-American life as disaster porn from maybe half alt-right or white supremacist screeds. He just tacks on a "but I'll save you" at the end.

I know I'm not breaking any new ground by predicting that Trump's screeds are unlikely to bring many African-American voters into his camp. But it's much more than that. It's aggressive dehumanization, reduction a real people to ghastly stick figures, not a bungled departure from but actually at the heart of his increasingly white nationalist message.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/...f-black-people

[Kujako]

Penn Jillette has put forth the idea that what Trump is currently doing, is building a team to run a new "news" network after he loses. Kinda makes sense....

[DeadmanWalking]

I can't help but wonder if Trump turns away from some of his core messages that his base loves -- especially around immigration and the wall -- if he'll start losing his base as well. Which once again brings up the notion that he's trying very hard to not win -- without being totally obvious about it.

It's a little disconcerting that no one can seem to explain his behavior -- which brings up giant questions of how he'd act if he did win. I'm not sure unpredictability is a trait you really want in a president.

I think he wants to win because at 70 you realize you can't take money with you when you go, but fame is forever and there is no greater fame than being in the history books taught to every child in the nation. I also think he wants the title but not the actual job.

[zenkai]

It is more along the lines of, "I need Latino votes to win, so what do I need to say to win because I really want to be president. I'll say and do anything to win the presidency."

I saw a meme on facebook yesterday describing the Trump sandwiche, white bread, full of baloney with russian dressing and a small pickle. :P

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Were you complaining about pandering to a race being racist when he was pandering to white people to win the nomination?

I always complain, how do you know I didn't? Have you read all my post? Does expressing my opinion now means I didn't have it prior? It's like talking to a crazy ex.

[Lenonis]

I think he wants to win because at 70 you realize you can't take money with you when you go, but fame is forever and there is no greater fame than being in the history books taught to every child in the nation. I also think he wants the title but not the actual job.

Maybe. But here's the thing -- unlikely a lot of people I don't think Trump is stupid. And he's running a very stupid campaign which makes me wonder what the source of his issues are. Maybe it's that he's just that out of touch with "normal" American lives (which makes sense in a way -- Romney had much the same issues). Maybe he just can't get over some of his inherent biases (his records with blacks for instance has a few scars).

Or maybe he truly isn't a politician thus simply doesn't know how to campaign.

But there is something there (assuming he really does want to win) that is preventing him from being successful.

[Deja Thoris]

Pandering because of someones race is racist, you are making predetermination about someone based on their race.

No, its not. Go and read a dictionary. I said it in my original post to you. You don't get to decide what words mean.

[DeadmanWalking]

Another commentary on Trump's latest charm offensive.

They did an interview on CNN with a Black Principle of a school that has a majority black population and she said the entire school was highly insulted that 'our school is no good' according to Trump. She said that the people of the community work very hard to afford their children the best education they can get and they have a successful social outreach and rate high among schools on the national level.

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I always complain, how do you know I didn't? Have you read all my post? Does expressing my opinion now means I didn't have it prior? It's like talking to a crazy ex.

Feel free to pull up a past post where you complain that Trump is being racist by pandering to his white base. It isn't on me to prove you right, it is on you.

[zenkai]

No, its not. Go and read a dictionary. I said it in my original post to you. You don't get to decide what words mean.

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

When you pander to some one based on their race, you believe that all people of that same race think alike. Maybe you should take your own advice.

[Shalcker]

No shit he does... That's the point... It won't make US more profitable, it will make Trump more profitable.

Trump and his associates like Carl Icahn, yes. Fracking, refineries, coal, manufacturing, construction.
You wouldn't necessarily love living in "Trump's paradise", and ecology might go to shit, but there will be US jobs, definitely.

You are comparing donations to a none profit, to Trump's personal gain. That is an absurd comparison.

It's not.

Clinton foundation getting donations from other countries, has no impact on jobs or US economy.

And Trump does? Are you seriously saying that? Do you understand how many orders of magnitude are between entire Trump's "empire" and US economy/jobs?

The issue isn't the rhetoric from either on caring about America, but that the demands Trump is making are ones even you just stated are for personal gain. When Hillary starts running a campaign whose large focus is making Americans donate more to none profits, instead of foreign countries, you'll have a point. Until then, all you are doing is pointing away from Trump, even when your pointing makes no sense what so ever.

No, what i'm saying is that you cannot judge by actions prior to campaign if campaign promises to change situation once elected.

Or you can - and then clearly Clinton will keep getting thinly veiled foreign and domestic kickbacks for invasions, policy, and staffing decisions.

You cannot argue both, that having a lot if workers in US, should make outsourcing irrelevant, and that outsourcing is a problem, because that removes all US companies from that criteria. It makes outsourcing represent something that doesn't exist.

You're arguing with strawman of your own making.

Trump is trying to make US corporations move to US. By getting them tax cuts in US, putting tariffs for foreign-made goods, cutting regulations, and so on. It's just a matter of magnitude, eventually some equilibrium point will be found when domestic production will be indeed cheaper even with higher price tag on workforce.

You just need a big enough "price wall". We're doing it for a while in Russia. That's how we got international auto corporations to build factories in Russia - despite producing in EU being cheaper for them if there would be no tariffs and (temporary) tax cuts. Factories they still keep despite Russian market being shit at the moment. Works fine, though obviously it takes time.

It will not necessarily lead to US economy improving in short term... but then stock market is ready for huge correction anyway. And medium-term it might solve more problems then it will create.

[zenkai]

They did an interview on CNN with a Black Principle of a school that has a majority black population and she said the entire school was highly insulted that 'our school is no good' according to Trump. She said that the people of the community work very hard to afford their children the best education they can get and they have a successful social outreach and rate high among schools on the national level.

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Feel free to pull up a past post where you complain that Trump is being racist by pandering to his white base. It isn't on me to prove you right, it is on you.

Proof is on me? LMAO Let me use your logic

Hey show me a post in the past where you're against child porn, it's up to you to prove you're against it. Seriously I have nothing to prove to you, if you don't believe me I really don't care.