Lich King vs Thunder King

[Strategos]

Who is more powerful? Lead quest designer dropped the canon answer for us -

https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status/759552173579591680

This puts Thunder King pretty high on the power list. I think a lot of people underrate Lei Shen

[FelBraids]

Thunda for da thunda king!

[Strategos]

Makes sense, he did consume Titanic Power from Aman'thul.

Defeated Xuen, an August Celestial, in single combat as well.

[Aeula]

I remember a poll on this a few months back. Good to see I was backing the correct side.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Pretty much, took a world reorientation device to kill him at this prime.

[Enthralled]

Funny. So 1v1, TK has the brute strength advantage. Honestly doesn't surprise me.

[Rafoel]

Where is BritishBuldog when we need him?

[FelBraids]

Where is BritishBuldog when we need him?

no! don't say his name!

[Enthralled]

Where is BritishBuldog when we need him?

Furiously typing out a response where he claims that 1v1 doesn't matter because large-scale strategic engagements are where it's at.

[ro9ue]

I think it's pretty cool that Dave Kosak gave a direct answer to that.

[lightofdawn]

Pretty much, took a world reorientation device to kill him at this prime.

was that retconned in chronicle? i seem to remember him dying of old age

[Darkhallows]

Like srs, the Lich King is cool and all, but on a cosmic scale the Scourge is pretty small. Lei Shen had the little remnants of a Titan.

Good on Dave!

was that retconned in chronicle? i seem to remember him dying of old age

I don't actually remember his cause of death being mentioned. It could be perhaps our only source was Lorewalker Cho and he was only speaking in what he/the Pandaren thought/folklore, but yes, in the Chronicle it mentions that Lei Shen, his armies and an accompanying army of Zandalari and their ruler went to Uldum to claim I believe the Halls of Origination, and the Tol'vir activated the device, killing everything in Uldum except the Tol'vir that had gone into hiding/prepared and turned the land to a barren dessert around the Halls.

It's why we see the land regrow at the end of that quest in Cata. Part of it, anyway.

[Calfredd]

Where is BritishBuldog when we need him?

Banned. Probably from getting too heated in his last thread.

[Strategos]

I think it's pretty cool that Dave Kosak gave a direct answer to that.

Same. You almost never see these things resolved in any meaningful way like this so it's nice to have a set-in-stone benchmark from which other deductions can be made.

[Kralljin]

I guess Lei Shen was truly not at full strength when he was bested in ToT.

[huth]

no! don't say his name!

He's banned right now. Don't worry.

[purebalance]

Makes sense, he did consume Titanic Power from Aman'thul.

Defeated Xuen, an August Celestial, in single combat as well.

Raden. Granted Raden was given power by him, but he did not consume it from Aman'thul.

[Aucald]

This makes sense. Lei Shen was incredibly powerful, but his military acumen was questionable. Scourge > Mogu, but Lei Shen > Lich King seems an equitable solution to me.

[Deleted]

Not a surprise. The Lich King's power was always is mind-control prowess, not his fight skills. After all, it was a entity stuck on ice and then a arrogant paladin that had some fight skills.

Lei Shen is a fricking Titan construct that took the power of Aman'thul.

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This makes sense. Lei Shen was incredibly powerful, but his military acumen was questionable. Scourge > Mogu, but Lei Shen > Lich King seems an equitable solution to me.

Actually, he built one of the biggest empires Azeroth ever had and only the Reorigination device stopped Lei Shen from conquering the rest.

Kosak most probably is hitting the size numbers of each army. The Scourge wins by a long shot.

[Aucald]

Actually, he built one of the biggest empires Azeroth ever had and only the Reorigination device stopped Lei Shen from conquering the rest.

Kosak most probably is hitting the size numbers of each army. The Scourge wins for a long shot.

Lei Shen's defeat at Uldum was a product of his arrogance, though - he discounted the existence of a greater force that could check him. Numbers would definitely be a factor, especially with the Mogu having succumbed to the Curse of Flesh. I'd assume the Scourge would eventually hit on a way to bring their into undeath if the two armies were to meet.