MP Heather Wheeler sparks Twitter backlash with British Empire post

[Kalis]

Impressment was a long tradition of the Royal Navy. No, they had no intention of stopping until we made it one of our four main grievances of the war of 1812. You do realize that the war ended with another treaty, yeah? And that treaty ceded many things to the U.S., including lifting the trade restrictions, which Britain would have been happy to keep up regardless of winning the Napoleonic wars or not, Britain giving up their attempts at establishing a buffer zone between Canada and the U.S., ceasing impressment, which again, they had no reason to give up considering how well impressment had worked for them in North America.

Britain had already lifted the trade restrictions, so that claim makes no sense. Press ganging was a direct result of the Napoleonic Wars and stopped when manpower was no longer an issue for the Royal Navy, so that claim makes no sense either.

Point being, calling the war of 1812 a British victory is laughable, as it sure as shit could not be seen as anything but a loss, in the very least of men and finances. Britain gained nothing; absolutely nothing. We got Britain's boot off of our necks.

The US lost more men and suffered greater financial problems than Britain, yet somehow the US won? Even by your own criteria the US lost.

The US declared war to end up in a position it would have been in had it not declared war, maintaining the status quo for an aggressor is not a victory by any stretch of the imagination.

[SupBrah]

Hold up...


In the thread about the EU sending a tweet about EU getting more medals than the USA, people were saying things like "lol silly muricans. It's jsut a joke. Why can't you take a joke? Soooo salty"

But some conservative MP does something similar and now those same smug people defending the EU tweet are DEFCON 1 triggered?


lol, just lol.


> Logic
> Liberalism

Pick one

[XDurionX]

What is this "post-brexit-eu" that she fantasises about?

[SupBrah]

i don't see Mississippi winning any medals in the Olympics.

Perhaps you should inform yourself then. Even Mississippi took home Rio medals

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tori...utf-8&oe=utf-8


You mock our worst state, yet even our worst state breeds Olympians.


America would absolutely steamroll the Olympics if we had 50 teams.

[Deleted]

So even though the US declared war, failed in any of their intended objectives and by any definition of victory did not win...they still won? Okay...

They won, because they did not manage to lose anything they started with?
- No, No, sorry the war of 1812 was an American loss.
You can imagine whatever you want, you are wrong (not you kalis)

[XDurionX]

America would absolutely steamroll the Olympics if we had 50 teams.

You do realize that having 50 seperate teams wouldn't magically multiply qualifiers, let alone medals?

Let's be generous and say that of the world's best 10 athletes in a discipline, 2 would be from the US. When running in 50 separate teams, it would still be 2.

[Tommi]

Silly people. Don't you realise that Brexit is just stage one of the master plan? Stage two is about to be put into place. Stage three is when the British Empire rises again!!

[KyrtF]

Lol, indeed yes, "now for those trade agreements".... (which you won't get and which will most likely be cause for cancelling the Brexit choice around 2020).

The UK will get the trade deals...eventually.
But their partners in such deals won't begin serious talks until there is a deal in place between the EU and UK....they need to know what they'll be signing up for and negotiating and a LOT will depend on what the UK and EU end up agreeing to. A UK which retains access and membership of the single market will be a lot more valuable to the US and China and India and so on than one which has tariffs and restrictions and Rules of Origin regulations in place.

And after they begin, it'll take a few years for them to be negotiated, hampered by the small problem the UK doesn't actually have any trade negotiators. They'll have to hire them in from other nations and organisations and train new ones up. Even the UK negotiators that do exits are employed by the EU so they'll need to be lured away....probably with extortionate pay.

And once agreed, it'll probably take a couple of years to actually ratify such deals.

And it is debateable whether other nations will give the UK the same deals as the EU....."Yes, we know we gave the EU this, but they offered us access to a market worth $20 trillion and with 500 million people....you are offering us access to a market of 70 million worth $3 trillion." is probably a phrase the UK will learn to hate. This might be offset by the ability to tailor such deals specifically to UK interests though...but I suspect, only to a degree

But - eventually - the UK will get them. It's too big a market to ignore.

However - posts like this won't help. The memories of the British Empire are NOT popular in some areas of the world.

[jimboa24]

Britain had already lifted the trade restrictions, so that claim makes no sense. Press ganging was a direct result of the Napoleonic Wars and stopped when manpower was no longer an issue for the Royal Navy, so that claim makes no sense either.

Press ganging had been a regular thing since the late 1600's. In fact, the biggest period of impressment was 1757, before the FIRST revolutionary war. In fact, impressment was one of the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence: "He (King George III) has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands."

So yeah, your claim that it was just a thing Britain did during the Napoleonic wars is complete and utter horseshit.

The US lost more men and suffered greater financial problems than Britain, yet somehow the US won? Even by your own criteria the US lost.

The US declared war to end up in a position it would have been in had it not declared war, maintaining the status quo for an aggressor is not a victory by any stretch of the imagination.

Uh, yeah, that's why the immediate aftermath of the War of 1812 was a period of significant growth and prosperity for the United States, so much so that it became known as the "Era of Good Feelings"? Again: bullshit, and you fail at history.

[Deleted]

The image is very clearly a joke and a parody of the EU one which included British medals under "European Union". In the actual post she wrote "Commonwealth friends". (yeah, yeah, we're not *actually* out yet)

Can we just end twitter already so "on twitter" or "twitter backlash" can never be the basis for a "news" story ever again?

[jimboa24]

They won, because they did not manage to lose anything they started with?
- No, No, sorry the war of 1812 was an American loss.
You can imagine whatever you want, you are wrong (not you kalis)

So Britain won because it managed to not lose anything it started with? Yeah, bullshit. They failed to create a Native American buffer state like they wanted, they were repelled from U.S. territories, and they lost superiority of North America like they wanted. And let's be frank, they intended to regain their lost colonies once hostilities started. They failed. The United States fought alone, without foreign aid, and proved that they were an independent nation that were not to be fucked with. That in and of itself is a victory.

[Aeula]

"Deeply offensive to so many people and their ancestors"?

Are these whiners fucking serious? Jesus Christ.

[Deleted]

ancestors?

Are these whiners fucking serious?

Stop committing multi-generational cyber-violence you shitheel.

[Repefe]

"Deeply offensive to so many people and their ancestors"?

Are these whiners fucking serious? Jesus Christ.

GB is half full of shit ppl ... hope no whiner gets offended. Jesus Christ.

[Deleted]

GB is half full of shit ppl.

Are you expecting Brits to disagree? Lmao.

[Melkandor]

What's the outrage?

[Repefe]

Are you expecting Brits to disagree? Lmao.

What ... I said I hope no whiner gets offended. That should be your answer.

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What's the outrage?

Using olympics as a tool for trade negotiations in conjuncture with the "empire joke" where UK killed tens of millions of ppl to establish the "twitter fun" empire, that in the name of olympics, should stand and work together. But it's just a twiter post ... so haha

[Deleted]

The UK will get the trade deals...eventually.

But... but brexit the movie said 'prosperity on an unimaginable level'
- Did they mean an unimaginably bad level?

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So Britain won because it managed to not lose anything it started with?

Yeah, that is the definition of victory to the defender.
The enemy repelled.

The United States fought alone, without foreign aid, and proved that they were an independent nation that were not to be fucked with. That in and of itself is a victory.

It picked a fight with a guy that was already engaged, got its capital burnt down, and by sheer luck did not lose new England - No, it was a loss.

[Kalis]

Press ganging had been a regular thing since the late 1600's. In fact, the biggest period of impressment was 1757, before the FIRST revolutionary war. In fact, impressment was one of the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence: "He (King George III) has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands."

So yeah, your claim that it was just a thing Britain did during the Napoleonic wars is complete and utter horseshit.

Except the press ganging that the Americans were complaining about was a direct consequence of the Napoleonic Wars and was in fact repealed upon the ending of those wars, independently of the War of 1812.

Your claims are lacking historical context.

Uh, yeah, that's why the immediate aftermath of the War of 1812 was a period of significant growth and prosperity for the United States, so much so that it became known as the "Era of Good Feelings"? Again: bullshit, and you fail at history.

Did the US lose more men or not during the war? The answer is yes, so by your own criteria the US lost (though it is a crap criteria, see just about any war that Russia has fought in for examples of why) and anything that happened subsequently is utterly irrelevant. I am not even sure how you think it would be relevant, nations recover from wars, it happens all the time and is not evidence of who won the war.

Britain also went on to be the largest Empire the world had ever seen, why does that not mean Britain won that war using your 'logic' that subsequent success is proof of winning?

It is not just history you are failing miserably at, it is basic reasoning as well.


There are two possible outcomes that can be attributed to that war, 1) Britain won and the US lost, this is based on whether the defending nation maintaining the status quo counts as a victory, lots of people would think that is the case, or 2) it was a draw, as both parties ended up in the pretty much the same position they started out in.

There is no possible way that someone can legitimately claim Britain lost and the US won, it would be historical fantasy to claim that.

[KyrtF]

Its in all of our hearts. :3

No. It isn't.

It's dead, buried and gone.

And for much of the world...they see that as a good thing.