Hitler was a liberal art student....?

[Mihalik]

I wanted to dig deeper into the reasoning behind calling Hitler a "failed liberal art student".

Because he failed at it. As in he wasn't accepted into art school for being too conservative and boring.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Seriously this. I'm surprised liberals actually believe he was right wing.

- Created mostly government-funded jobs (especially in roads and infrastructure)
- Public schooling with government-funded and government-enforced curriculum
- Nationalized healthcare
- Forcefully took money from the rich
- Gun control
- Government funded abortion
- Strong police state (thanks, gun control)
- NAZI literally stands for National Socialist Workers Party.

"B...But DAE not real socialism?!?!" Please, tell me how that's not socialism.

Hell, replace persecuting jews with white males and you have a modern liberal utopia.

Except for the strong police state that slipped in there, not a typical fixture of those radical liberal left-wingers.
It also ignores the prohibition on the selling of agricultural land, marketing boards controlling production and prices, private ownership being required to conform to national interests, massive military spending, society and economy based on a stratified class system, and individual needs being subordinate to the wider community (the opposite of the current SJW demands of propping up the individual and granting them their safe space).

Its almost like it contains a mix of both right and left-wing aspects and can't truly be categorized as either.

[Hammerfest]

Except for the strong police state that slipped in there, not a typical fixture of those radical liberal left-wingers.

It is when they're in power.

[SupBrah]

private ownership being required to conform to national interests, massive military spending, society and economy based on a stratified class system, and individual needs being subordinate to the wider community (the opposite of the current SJW demands of propping up the individual and granting them their safe space).

Its almost like it contains a mix of both right and left-wing aspects and can't truly be categorized as either.

Except for the strong police state that slipped in there, not a typical fixture of those radical liberal left-wingers.

How exactly is it not? Communism is about as far left as you can get, and they're the largest examples of a police state. Not to mention many western european liberal countries are becoming police states, labeling anything they disagree with as "hate speech" which is illegal (example: Germany has arrested people for criticizing Islam on Facebook). Hell, gun control is the first step to enforcing a police state.

It also ignores the prohibition on the selling of agricultural land

Who's telling the landowners what they can and cannot do with their property? Oh yeah, government and extreme regulations.

marketing boards controlling production and prices

Source? NAZI government regulated most of the production and prices

private ownership being required to conform to national interests, massive military spending, society and economy based on a stratified class system

This is, indeed one for the things that separated National Socialism with other forms of Marxist socialism, though. Hitler even talked about it in one of his speeches according to Wikipedia:

"On the one hand, he proclaimed in one of his speeches that "we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system", but he was clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism "has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism," saying that "Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."

I wasn't aware that personal property was such a negative to modern socialists though. I thought still believing in private property is one of the things that made them "Democratic Socialists."

individual needs being subordinate to the wider community (the opposite of the current SJW demands of propping up the individual and granting them their safe space).

What??? That's possibly true in reality, but the entire idea behind social justice and safe spaces is to enforce their ideology on people for "the wider community". Even if it sometimes ends up being more individualistic, they truly believe they are doing it for "those who are oppressed". Such as demonizing an individual for saying something they consider "hate speech against women/minorities/lgbts/etc". They will ruin an individual's life and reputation just to push their wider narrative.


.....Kinda like how Hitler said the german aryans were being "oppressed" by the jews.




I'm not saying there isn't bleedover of ideologies within Nazism, nothing's that black and white, but that's not the issue. The issue is leftists trying to label Hitler and Nazis as right wing, when they have WAY more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.

[Holofernes]

Seriously this. I'm surprised liberals actually believe he was right wing.

- Created mostly government-funded jobs (especially in roads and infrastructure)
- Public schooling with government-funded and government-enforced curriculum
- Nationalized healthcare
- Forcefully took money from the rich
- Gun control
- Government funded abortion
- Strong police state (thanks, gun control)
- NAZI literally stands for National Socialist Workers Party.

"B...But DAE not real socialism?!?!" Please, tell me how that's not socialism.

Hell, replace persecuting jews with white males and you have a modern liberal utopia.

Bonus: Hitler was even a big fan of Muslims!

actually it was the rich right wing beaugoisis that supported him, at first it was right wing rich people that didnt like the german democracy back than, and they saw hitler as a means to get rid of the democracy, because he was in touch with the people with his rhetoric skills, and industry trusts made a fond with 0,5 % of their annual wage sums for hitler personal use when he became chancellor. It was called "Hitler Spende der deutschen Industrie", it was in exchange for a fuckton of state contracts, mainly for arms.

Actually it was the normal workers were Hitler had the lowest agreement rate for a long time, even when he was chancellor. Unions were opposing Hitler, and where forbidden pretty soon. Laws like Mayday, at least 14 days of paid vacation, government forced wage rises, state money for marriages, were done to get acceptance amongst the workers, and it worked over the years, especially after all the social democratic and union guys have been arrested.

Government fundet abortion: u dont really know what u write there. It was basically killing of unwanted, lower race / mixed race lifes, it was not funded, but forced.
Actually he introduced child support money from the state, the more childs a mother has, the more money she would get. So he was killing the weak /ill / wrong race childs, while breeding new soldiers.

And yes, socialism can be right wing, as Stalins Dictatorship is seen as right wing communism too. But that is something that many people fail to grasp.

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Being ignorant is one thing, being convinced (or attempting to convince others) you as a white male are actually oppressed in the way that minority groups around the world have been and are currently oppressed is something else. Here's the thing: those of us who actually know our history are aware of this little trick. It's the same one that the Nazi's used to get into power.

I'm gonna be real real with you, if you actually believe you as a cis-gendered white male are oppressed and being readied to throw into the gas chambers or anything along those lines, you are either the useful kind of stupid that would be tyrants and despots use to get into power, or you are the sort of insidious and evil person who would pretend to be stupid in order to spread such ideas to rally support for said tyrants and despots.

If you're feeling oppressed it is because your ideology is declining, your world view and way of life simply are not sustainable and the vast majority of people on the planet actually don't agree with you because they're not ignorant and sooner or later you're just gonna have to come to terms with that and deal with it.

I'm a male, but I'm not white

Re-read your post: you have put all "cisgendered white men" into a category of "oppressor", "stupid", "evil", "ignorant"

The hatred is oozing off the language in your post: you claim to "know your history" and "know the trick the Nazis used" - guess what, it's the trick that's being used on you, quite successfully

[GennGreymane]

I wonder if people know that he was also a WW1 vet.

[Kalis]

MMO-C, where people argue that Hitler was not right wing and that Stalin was right wing.


Up next: Ghandi was in fact a woman named Beryl from Ashby-de-la-Zouch, who hated curry.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Source? NAZI government regulated most of the production and prices

https://books.google.com/books?id=BN...&q=146&f=false
But yes, they were Nazi appoitned. I wasn't saying they weren't, just that they were there.

What??? That's possibly true in reality, but the entire idea behind social justice and safe spaces is to enforce their ideology on people for "the wider community". Even if it sometimes ends up being more individualistic, they truly believe they are doing it for "those who are oppressed". Such as demonizing an individual for saying something they consider "hate speech against women/minorities/lgbts/etc". They will ruin an individual's life and reputation just to push their wider narrative.

My view of it, and its entirely possible I'm just reading this wrong, but that the extreme SJW will push for the inclusion of anything any individual says. If one person says "I am sexually attracted to trees and demand equal protection and freedom from discrimination" they must immediately change policy to include that individual. Policy is at the whim of any individual who says "I identify as X and demand Y!" or "I am X and therefore entitled to Y!" or whatever variation of that.
Again, maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that's always how its come across to me.
The difference would be the government would have a set standard;
"We support X, Y, and Z."
"I am W and demand equal rights!"
"W is not in line with national policy. Fuck off."

Though, now that I type that out, you can make that case where 'W' is any conservative line of thinking, so this might need a retraction.

I'm not saying there isn't bleedover of ideologies within Nazism, nothing's that black and white, but that's not the issue. The issue is leftists trying to label Hitler and Nazis as right wing, when they have WAY more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.

My issue is left and right pointing fingers across the aisle trying to determine 'who gets Hitler', when in my opinion it should be either both or neither. National Socialism had a lot of very leftist socialist policies and also a lot of right-wing nationalist policies.

[JohnBrown1917]

Being ignorant is one thing, being convinced (or attempting to convince others) you as a white male are actually oppressed in the way that minority groups around the world have been and are currently oppressed is something else. Here's the thing: those of us who actually know our history are aware of this little trick. It's the same one that the Nazi's used to get into power.

I'm gonna be real real with you, if you actually believe you as a cis-gendered white male are oppressed and being readied to throw into the gas chambers or anything along those lines, you are either the useful kind of stupid that would be tyrants and despots use to get into power, or you are the sort of insidious and evil person who would pretend to be stupid in order to spread such ideas to rally support for said tyrants and despots.

If you're feeling oppressed it is because your ideology is declining, your world view and way of life simply are not sustainable and the vast majority of people on the planet actually don't agree with you because they're not ignorant and sooner or later you're just gonna have to come to terms with that and deal with it.

Being euro/America-centric is not going to help your case.

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MMO-C, where people argue that Hitler was not right wing and that Stalin was right wing.


Up next: Ghandi was in fact a woman named Beryl from Ashby-de-la-Zouch, who hated curry.

So what does that make Pol Pot?

[Kalis]

So what does that make Pol Pot?

A type of spicy Cambodian dish.

[JohnBrown1917]

- Public schooling with government-funded and government-enforced curriculum

To spread his proganda to all the German kids, sounds more like an authoritarian thing to me.

- Gun control

That also leans to authoritarian, depending on how strict it was.

- Strong police state (thanks, gun control)

Police state is as authoritarian as you can get.

And you think a country without gun control can stop a police state? Oh how naive.

- NAZI literally stands for National Socialist Workers Party.

In the same way north Korea is also democratic you mean?

"B...But DAE not real socialism?!?!" Please, tell me how that's not socialism.

Atleast it explains why Nazis hated Communism so much.

Bonus: Hitler was even a big fan of Muslims!

Gonna need a source.

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A type of spicy Cambodian dish.

Hmmm.. tasty.

[BuckSparkles]

And yes, socialism can be right wing, as Stalins Dictatorship is seen as right wing communism too. But that is something that many people fail to grasp.

Ahaha.....ahahaha....ha...

Wait you are posting this unironically?

[GennGreymane]

A type of spicy Cambodian dish.

I got a chuckle

[Holofernes]

Ahaha.....ahahaha....ha...

Wait you are posting this unironically?

"Stalinist USSR" was not socialist (and not communist), but a bureaucratised degenerated workers' state—that is, a non-capitalist state in which exploitation is controlled by a ruling caste which, although not owning the means of production and not constituting a social class in its own right, accrued benefits and privileges at the expense of the working class.

just wikipedia yourself next time, before u show to the world how uneducated you are, thanks. Btw, the guy who stated this was murdered by an russian assasin in 1940.

[jdbond592]

People need to understand that Hitler was just one guy. Germans masses hated many things . They wanted to make their country great again. They wanted to blame someone for all their ills. Hitler shared the sentiment and flamed it when he got the chance. Hitler fought in WW1 but I wonder if he actually killed anyone in his entire life. People were just too eager to follow him. They wanted to "restore the glory" of Fatherland.

US is different. Trump is just a charlatan and believes nothing. He also doesn't have support of majority. Don't insult Hitler by associating Trump with him.

[Shibito]

Ahh Djalil you making the libtard heads explode in rage

[jdbond592]

Ahh Djalil you making the libtard heads explode in rage

Why? As a white nationalist and proud member of "Make America white again", I love Hitler. I am glad to hear he was a "liberal art" student just like evolution is just a "theory".

[7-4]

My offhand comment in response to some leftist calling Trump literally Hitler spawned a 7 page thread?

I wanted to dig deeper into the reasoning behind calling Hitler a "failed liberal art student".

Because he was one.

how ever, the comment you quoted here in OP, sounds like a desperate attempt by people who get overwhelmed if they try to think rationally.

Leftists claiming other people lack the faculties to think rationally? That's adorable. Remind me again how races, or ethnic groups, are a social construct and we're all the same. You'll have to ignore, though, that europeans don't suffer from sickle cell anemia. Sub-saharans don't suffer from tay-sachs. Jews don't suffer from cerebral palsy. And so on.

Yeah, so you right-wingers are doing it all wrong. Come join the SJW side and we'll have you in cool black SS uniforms gassing foreigners in no time.

Was it right-wing hate groups who shut down a Clinton/Sanders rally? Or was it leftist trash who shut down a Trump rally? Are Clinton/Sanders supporters constantly attacked on the street? Or are Trump supporters? What you say in sarcasm actually has a nugget of truth in it.

The one thing people have to keep in mind that´s actually pretty easy to remember is "not all of <insert group>".

But, of course, this only applies to non-whites, non-Christian, etc. Dylan Roof shoots people in Charleston? All of White America has to answer for it. Muslims commit terrorist attacks every other week? #NotAllMuslims.

The degenerate left seem to think everyone is more privileged than they are. I would love to see these self important douches visit the third world and realise how full of shit they really are

One tried that, Pippa Bacca. She wanted to prove #NotAllMuslims by traveling through the middle east wearing a wedding dress (still don't get that part.) She didn't make it 100 miles into the first muslim country before she was raped and murdered.

So if we were to take this thread seriously, Hitler was a liberal and then when he became right wing he killed 6 million jews?

Socialism is not 'right wing.'

I think the argument goes something like Hitler was not studying how to paint. Thats why Hitler is Bernie Sanders. Or in other words, someone googled "liberal+Hitler", because he was mad that he couldnt really argue against Trump being a fashist, didnt bother to check what liberal arts were and by now is probably writing an angry letter to Harvard to stop being biased and also offer conservative arts.

Or maybe I actually pay attention and see some very real parallels. Remind me again about my 'white privilege.' If you aren't knowledgeable enough about it, feel free to attend the white privilege conference. If you're in the northeast, Portland Community College is holding hundreds of panels on 'white privilege.'

I dunno man. The way white people are demonized nowadays makes me think that all we need is a left wing hitler-like for us to end up like them.
I will admit though, we're not there... yet.

The difference being that 40% of whites vote Democrat. Whites in very large numbers support policies which directly harm them because of 'white guilt.' As if whites have to apologize for anything. Colonialism? Every piece of land on this planet was conquered through force. Slavery? Every race on this planet was slave or slave owner at one point or another.

Of course.
Apart the fact that we are still the overwhelming majority in our countries and that no oppression of the sort is happening apart maybe in the head of some members of some extreme groups.

Whites under the age of 5 became a minority in the United States years ago. Under the age of 18 by the next presidential election (2020.) An overall minority in just 25 years thanks to immigration policies put forth by leftists for votes (Immigration Act of 1965) and ignored by those on the right because of the cheap labor it provided.

And what would you call affirmative action? Is that not government sanctioned racial discrimination? What do you call diversity quotas if not trying to replace as many whites as possible?

Your point? Putin likes Trump.

You mean Putin likes the one candidate not openly advocating for WW3?

[Mayhem]

I'm not saying there isn't bleedover of ideologies within Nazism, nothing's that black and white, but that's not the issue. The issue is leftists trying to label Hitler and Nazis as right wing, when they have WAY more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.

What did the nazis have in common with modern liberalism?

Going by the classic definition of liberalism, the nazis had practically nothing to do with it. They literally opposed the idea of equality and liberty.

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But, of course, this only applies to non-whites, non-Christian, etc. Dylan Roof shoots people in Charleston? All of White America has to answer for it. Muslims commit terrorist attacks every other week? #NotAllMuslims.

Who in the world is Dylan Roof?