1. #1761
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deefame View Post
    Nothing should EVER be nerfed due to pre-expansion sims. If you feel you're forced to play Outlaw, that is purely your issue.
    Outlaw is insane, we had mythic archi kills with the rogue 40% ahead of the 2nd best dd. It was proc luck to some extent,but this is crazy in a highend guild.

    Even with bad luck they are competitivebut with proc luck zhey are insane.

    I am going main outlaw for legion and i would be fine if they capped the buffs to max. 3,not 6. Id also love some bad luck protection like after 3 rerolls with only 1 buff you get automatcally 2.

    The inconsistency right now is insane.
    Last edited by mmoc4ec7d51a68; 2016-08-26 at 08:11 AM.

  2. #1762
    Quote Originally Posted by Klatar View Post
    Outlaw is insane, we had mythic archi kills with the rogue 40% ahead of the 2nd best dd. It was proc luck to some extent,but this is crazy in a highend guild.

    Even with bad luck they are competitivebut with proc luck zhey are insane.

    I am going main outlaw for legion and i would be fine if they capped the buffs to max. 3,not 6. Id also love some bad luck protection like after 3 rerolls with only 1 buff you get automatcally 2.

    The inconsistency right now is insane.
    For our final M Archi kill this week carrying some alts I thought I'd give Outlaw a try. The first pull I got a 3 roll and was smashing everyone before we wiped downstairs. The following two pulls I got four 1s in a row and five 1s in a row and was off the bottom of skada somewhere. Went back to Sin to kill it.

  3. #1763
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    Quote Originally Posted by ominousguild View Post
    For our final M Archi kill this week carrying some alts I thought I'd give Outlaw a try. The first pull I got a 3 roll and was smashing everyone before we wiped downstairs. The following two pulls I got four 1s in a row and five 1s in a row and was off the bottom of skada somewhere. Went back to Sin to kill it.
    Thats what i mean. We were yesterday trash talking, posting op logs of outlaw rogues topping damage meters by 50 or 100%. I started hitting a dummy and had 8 times in a row only single buffs. All those trinket procs wasted.
    On the other hand every outlaw rogue has logswhere he did 30 to 100% more dps than the rest of the raid. And this isnt a prepatch issue. It is a class design issue.

  4. #1764
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    Now with the legendary changes, which legendary is the best?

    haven't been following this thread so im sorry if this has been asked before!

  5. #1765
    RtB does make it fun. You either roll something crap and you're like ugh ok this'll be alright for a bit... or you get a big roll, your eyes light up and you're just like holyfkingsht lets go ham.

  6. #1766
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yhcti View Post
    RtB does make it fun. You either roll something crap and you're like ugh ok this'll be alright for a bit... or you get a big roll, your eyes light up and you're just like holyfkingsht lets go ham.
    Actually you either roll something crap and emmediately reroll untill you get 2+ buffs or you simply get a godlike roll and smack everyone.

    Even with 3 buffs everyone else should be far behind

  7. #1767
    I enjoy that. I'd rather not be OP 24/7, that's just a quick way to get nerfed. Yes it's annoying that it's down to RNG. But I'd rather that where we can have moments of godliness or moments of poor.

  8. #1768
    I'm still waiting to see how things look at 110. Nobody has been able to produce any sort of reliable sims.

  9. #1769
    Quote Originally Posted by Arcinatos View Post
    Now with the legendary changes, which legendary is the best?

    haven't been following this thread so im sorry if this has been asked before!
    Insignia of Ravenholdt got a buff to 30% (I think) so I believe it is best now (also really good for Sub now). Boots are second best.

  10. #1770
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roiids View Post
    I'm still waiting to see how things look at 110. Nobody has been able to produce any sort of reliable sims.
    Ehm. Where are you getting that info from?

  11. #1771
    Quote Originally Posted by Nupomaniac View Post
    Ehm. Where are you getting that info from?
    I mean't all classes together. Everyone is saying none of them are reliable across other posts on MMO.

  12. #1772
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roiids View Post
    I mean't all classes together. Everyone is saying none of them are reliable across other posts on MMO.
    They are? I'm not seing that. Granted i dont really care about the other classes and focus mostly on my own. Seems to me that they have been quite thorough with them on the rogue side of things

  13. #1773
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaronicity View Post
    Insignia of Ravenholdt got a buff to 30% (I think) so I believe it is best now (also really good for Sub now). Boots are second best.
    I didn't see that the ravenholdt got buffed (it may have) but aethys' sims show ravenholdt ring is best overall, with thraxi's boots second, i think shivarran symmnetry edges out the boots in certain aoe situations, but overall, ravenholdt ring and thraxi's are best

  14. #1774
    ravenholdt is still 15% on beta

  15. #1775
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    I didn't see that the ravenholdt got buffed (it may have) but aethys' sims show ravenholdt ring is best overall, with thraxi's boots second, i think shivarran symmnetry edges out the boots in certain aoe situations, but overall, ravenholdt ring and thraxi's are best
    could you link these sims? im curious how much the gap closed between sub and outlaw now that the boots arent that OP

  16. #1776
    Quote Originally Posted by ominousguild View Post
    For our final M Archi kill this week carrying some alts I thought I'd give Outlaw a try. The first pull I got a 3 roll and was smashing everyone before we wiped downstairs. The following two pulls I got four 1s in a row and five 1s in a row and was off the bottom of skada somewhere. Went back to Sin to kill it.
    It's going to be a lot more rng without cotd since all your dmg at the start is dependent on how fast you can build up cp's which is dependent on what you roll. With cotd the only things that changes your opening dps is if you get shark or true bearing. With ar and cotd your energy and cp's are maxing out over and over you buffs are only really bonuses to that.

    What people need to look at is min. dps because if the possibility of getting a 3 or 6 buff combat's max dmg will always be high. But this is what people need to look at if combat can do just as much min. dps as assassin or sub ( or more) then any rng it gets is just a bonus. Also why do people seem to ignore the fact that sub and assassin both have 100k dps swings between max and min?

    I think way too many people are basing things on 100 and haven't seen what the specs are in beta all the specs are very rng with the artifacts combat just has the highest max dps if rng really goes it's way which is just a bonus.

  17. #1777
    Quote Originally Posted by Wow View Post
    It's going to be a lot more rng without cotd since all your dmg at the start is dependent on how fast you can build up cp's which is dependent on what you roll. With cotd the only things that changes your opening dps is if you get shark or true bearing. With ar and cotd your energy and cp's are maxing out over and over you buffs are only really bonuses to that.

    What people need to look at is min. dps because if the possibility of getting a 3 or 6 buff combat's max dmg will always be high. But this is what people need to look at if combat can do just as much min. dps as assassin or sub ( or more) then any rng it gets is just a bonus. Also why do people seem to ignore the fact that sub and assassin both have 100k dps swings between max and min?

    I think way too many people are basing things on 100 and haven't seen what the specs are in beta all the specs are very rng with the artifacts combat just has the highest max dps if rng really goes it's way which is just a bonus.
    So what are sims looking at mins then?

  18. #1778
    Quote Originally Posted by shaunika123 View Post
    could you link these sims? im curious how much the gap closed between sub and outlaw now that the boots arent that OP
    Check the sim thread stickied, its there

  19. #1779
    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    Check the sim thread stickied, its there
    Would love to but that site is blocked at work. Will have to try later.

  20. #1780
    New to rogue here, one thing I don't get is when you want to reroll for 2+ buffs, do you build up to 6 cp first then roll? Sounds silly I know but it just sounds like you're in for a bad time if you keep spam rerolling 6 cp and only get one buff.

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