Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Gheld]

So where were you guys when Hillary Clinton put on her tinfoil diving cap and went straight off the deep end and demonstrated how insanely out of touch with reality she for half an hour by ranting about Donald Trump's secret connection to the "Alt-right"?

[Noxx79]

So where were you guys when Hillary Clinton put on her tinfoil diving cap and went straight off the deep end and demonstrated how insanely out of touch with reality she for half an hour by ranting about Donald Trump's secret connection to the "Alt-right"?

That was in response to Trump calling her a bigot. It's only out of touch if you ignore trump, which you should.

[Shalcker]

Will this judge's kids be American enouпh to not hold prejudice towards Trump for his illegal immigration stance? The guy was born in US, his family was here legally. How many generations does it take, to remove the illegal immigrant bias, from children of legal immigrants?

Once they stop associating themselves with those illegal immigrants enough to if not support then at least not be openly hostile to others supporting "building the wall" despite being of same descent as those who would be prevented from entering.

I expect around three to five generations might do the trick, though if community is tight enough it might take a lot longer.

You do know there is a Latin American judge on the Supreme Court? Will she need to recuse her self from every case that Trump supports?

Judging by her interviews, quite possibly. ...but then everyone is talking about either Republicans or Democrats stuffing Supreme Court with aligned judges once they win to get whatever it is they want, so it might not matter in the end.

Only if you think all immigrants have a bias towards illegal immigration. Which is absurd and racist... There is no reason for an immigrant here legally, to support illegal immigration. There is at least one reason to have a bias against it, but not for it.

Which is why many legal immigrants happen to support Trump.

[Noxx79]

Once they stop associating themselves with those illegal immigrants enough to if not support then at least not be openly hostile to others supporting "building the wall" despite being of same descent as those who would be prevented from entering.

I expect around three to five generations might do the trick, though if community is tight enough it might take a lot longer.

Judging by her interviews, quote possibly. ...but then everyone is talking about either Republicans or Democrats stuffing Supreme Court with aligned judges once they win to get whatever it is they want, so it might not matter in the end.

Which is why many legal immigrants happen to support Trump.

Except for the judge of Mexican heritage, because he's Mexican. Yours and Trumps' own word prove that to be a falsehood. By your logic the Judge, being the child of Legal immigrants should be biased TOWARDS Trump, but you can't even keep that logic straight. It shows how delusional that argument is.

[zenkai]

I still don't understand how people here don't think she is a good choice. She made mistakes, sure. Who didn't. She is however a servant. She dedicated her life for serving the country.

People are mad about her for seemingly vague reasoning. "or maybe pissed off because she beat Sanders"

Every time I ask someone on why they don't like Hillary, they can't put their finger on a valid reason. All I hear is Emails & shit.

Makes mistakes? Doing something on purpose and only apologizing when you get caught is not a mistake.

[Deleted]

Well... No... Denying you are racist is part of the deal. Even KKK claims to no longer be racist. As a Trump supporter, you obviously will ignore it. You simply cannot admit it. Instead you can focus on semantics, like religion not being a race, so calling out a Muslim for him not letting his wife speak isn't racist. It's the religious version there of, not race... Right? He didn't call all Mexicans in US rapists and murders, because some of them are good people... Right? He wasn't racist when calling out a judge on his Trump U case, because his race would inhibit his judgment, Trump U case is just too close to immigration to trust a son of an immigrant... Right?

Not ONE SINGLE "point" you tried to make is racist in any way, shape, or form. For you to claim otherwise is complete ignorance - and it is certainly not fucking "semantics". You take a word and twist it to mean whatever you what it to mean and then you use that incorrect meaning to try and validate your point of view.

Trump is NOT a racist at all, in any way. For you - and folks like you to claim so - prove that you really don't have a fucking clue as to what you are talking about and your opinions are guided by your sheer idiocy.

[DocSavageFan]

Imagine the shitshow had Trump called someone a “f*cking Jew bastard!”, called young black men “super-predators” and that “we have to bring them to heel", said “I am adamantly against illegal immigrants” and voted as a Senator to construct a wall between the US and Mexico, and said “all lives matter” in a black church. The brain-dead among us are so easily manipulated and are completely clueless to the bubble they live in....getting played and too stupid to know it.

[Ayla]

I still don't understand how people here don't think she is a good choice. She made mistakes, sure. Who didn't. She is however a servant. She dedicated her life for serving the country.

People are mad about her for seemingly vague reasoning. "or maybe pissed off because she beat Sanders"

Every time I ask someone on why they don't like Hillary, they can't put their finger on a valid reason. All I hear is Emails & shit.

What I don't understand is the American mindset of a president being very for 2 terms only, and then re-electing the exact same couple again, when the former president was impeached. It seems like a huge conflict of interest to me, especially when Hillary's health is in question (I know, I'm a conspiracy theorist, no need to call me out on it again). Then you could essentially have Bill running the country again like like Woodrow Wilson's wife did.

I feel like a son is okay, but a spouse isn't, it's too close to the same mindset.

[Kujako]

What I don't understand is the American mindset of a president being very for 2 terms only, and then re-electing the exact same couple again, when the former president was impeached. It seems like a huge conflict of interest to me, especially when Hillary's health is in question (I know, I'm a conspiracy theorist, no need to call me out on it again). Then you could essentially have Bill running the country again like like Woodrow Wilson's wife did.

I feel like a son is okay, but a spouse isn't, it's too close to the same mindset.

I DARE you to make less sense...

[Ayla]

I DARE you to make less sense...

I am you what are we is a dethklok employee???

[Theodarzna]

It is interesting to see the thread size of this and the Republican conversation.

I think it is telling that for the most part Hillary is pretty boring, as a candidate... and Trump just seems unhinged. So the traffic for both is pretty fitting. It is always more interesting to talk about a trainwreck than the turtle.

Hillary's main argument is she is "Not Trump." The relative thread size is a perfect testament to that, and that the Republican thread is basically a massive "DEA HATE TRUMP?" circlejerk.

[alexw]

So where were you guys when Hillary Clinton put on her tinfoil diving cap and went straight off the deep end and demonstrated how insanely out of touch with reality she for half an hour by ranting about Donald Trump's secret connection to the "Alt-right"?

??????????

You do realize Trump is balls deep into the alt-right? Hell, that his campaign manager has an actual guide to the alt right on the alt right online magazine he is editor of? I mean what more do you want?

[Caolela]

This statement is a complete lie on your part. We don't wish blue collar conservatives ill will because - a lot of them are my friends. Or family members of friends.

On the other hand, business leaders lay them off, reduce their salaries - and their reaction is take out their frustrations on blacks and hispanics, who had nothing to do with their economic hardships. We are facing the exact same hardship that conservatives are facing, and yet instead of uniting together and fighting as a team, all you want to do is make up lies about middle class liberals being evil malicious anti-American jerks that need to be fought at all costs.

Meanwhile, our bosses take advantage of our infighting by laying more and more of us off, reducing our wages and benefits, and shipping even MORE jobs overseas.


And, what you wrote here is TRULY and COMPLETELY both despicable and false.

Absolutely right, and it's what many in the U.S. have not been able to grasp. One guy watching Fox (reactionary right) and one watching MSNBC (faux left), both not realizing that neither of them are out for their best interests. It's called the 'Divide and Rule' strategy, and has been around since at least Roman times:

Divide and rule (or divide and conquer, from Latin dīvide et īmpera) in politics and sociology is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into pieces that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. The concept refers to a strategy that breaks up existing power structures, and especially prevents smaller power groups from linking up, causing rivalries and fomenting discord among the people.

Elements of this technique involve:

• creating or encouraging divisions among the subjects to prevent alliances that could challenge the sovereign
• aiding and promoting those who are willing to cooperate with the sovereign
• fostering distrust and enmity between local rulers
• encouraging meaningless expenditures that reduce the capability for political and military spending

Historically, this strategy was used in many different ways by empires seeking to expand their territories.

The concept is also mentioned as a strategy for market action in economics to get the most out of the players in a competitive market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

When average citizens realize that they have a lot more in common with each other than with the elites trying to drive them apart with wedge issues like religion, guns, gays, abortion, immigration and so on, they'll realize that solidarity is their best weapon, since the elites have always been most afraid of the fact that there will always be a lot more of us than there are of them.

[DocSavageFan]

A song from a long, long time ago comes to mind and continues to ring true over 40 years later....lemmings abound and are quite easily manipulated by the media and those who control it. The average IQ in the US is 98 and it shows.

I'm The Slime - Frank Zappa (1973)

I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out
From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks . . .
Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

[Noxx79]

A song from a long, long time ago comes to mind and continues to ring true over 40 years later....lemmings abound and are quite easily manipulated by the media and those who control it. The average IQ in the US is 98 and it shows.

I'm The Slime - Frank Zappa (1973)

I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out
From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks . . .
Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

You realize that IQ is a relative score, right? 100 is average, it's the baseline. It means nothing. It's a Tautology. So of course the average IQ of any large group of people should be around 100.
You literally just said that the average intelligence of the average American is average.

For someone claiming to be above the "manipulation" of the media, you didn't seem to do much research into what you're trying to say.

[Deleted]

It is interesting to see the thread size of this and the Republican conversation.

I think it is telling that for the most part Hillary is pretty boring, as a candidate... and Trump just seems unhinged. So the traffic for both is pretty fitting. It is always more interesting to talk about a trainwreck than the turtle.

The size of the Republican thread is due mainly to about 6-8 posters that have created a nice little echo chamber for themselves in their zealous hatred for Trump. They are probably responsible for 260 of the current 277 pages of the thread, with one individual in particular leading the way.

To me, Trump does not seem unhinged at all. In a lot of ways he is the only rational person amongst all the folks (aside from Gary Johnson) that threw their hat into the race for 2017.

Realize this - Trump is the first modern day candidate that has gotten to where he is without EVER holding a previous political postilion or being a lawyer or having served in the military. There is a reason why he garnered the most votes of ANY Republican candidate in the primaries in the history of this country.

REAL Americans are tired of the regressive/liberal policies of the Democrats and how they have essentially tried to destroy the USA. REAL Americans are going to turn out in November - just like during the Republican primary - and sweep Trump to a landslide. I could not care less about polls - I could not care less about the media's (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN) collusional effort to destroy Trump while coronating Clinton. Trump has proven time and time again that all the mud that the media has thrown at him just slides right off. And why is that? Because REAL Americans know a total snow job when they see it, and that is exactly what this election cycle has been - a snow job by the media for Hillary Clinton. That might have worked for Obama but there is not a chance in hell that it will for Hillary.

Trump 2016! Making America Great Again.

[Deleted]

When the head of your party calls you a text book racist(or what you said) there is an issue.

LOL, you mean Paul Ryan? Ya, I agree - Paul Ryan has some MAJOR issues. He is a feckless and worthless politician that will say whatever he has to to ensure his position. As far as I am concerned Paul Ryan is a POS.

He has insulted about every block of voter. The only ones he has not insulted yet, is white (older) men.

Aww - need a tissue for that? And did that stop him from being nominated? No. Most REAL Americans are not total pussies and don't cry in the corner and ask for safe spaces when someone says something they may not like. BTW - you (just like the biased media) seem to think that the ONLY people that will vote for Trump are "white (older) men" - have you ever seen ANY of his rallies? Have you even bothered to take notice of all the WOMEN and ethnics that attend his rallies? You are delusional if you think that only "white (older) men" will be voting for Trump - which is WHY he is going to win in a landslide.

Here is an op/ed from a Hispanic Woman that supports Trump (wtf, how is that even possible? lol)!

Why Latinos should vote for Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.33f330fd94af

[Noxx79]

LOL, you mean Paul Ryan? Ya, I agree - Paul Ryan has some MAJOR issues. He is a feckless and worthless politician that will say whatever he has to to ensure his position. As far as I am concerned Paul Ryan is a POS.



Aww - need a tissue for that? And did that stop him from being nominated? No. Most REAL Americans are not total pussies and don't cry in the corner and ask for safe spaces when someone says something they may not like. BTW - you (just like the biased media) seem to think that the ONLY people that will vote for Trump are "white (older) men" - have you ever seen ANY of his rallies? Have you even bothered to take notice of all the WOMEN and ethnics that attend his rallies? You are delusional if you think that only "white (older) men" will be voting for Trump - which is WHY he is going to win in a landslide.

Here is an op/ed from a Hispanic Woman (wtf, that must be impossible)!

Why Latinos should vote for Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.33f330fd94af

LOL Trump is the most thin-skinned whiner in existence. It's always somebody else's fault, or they're biased or they're cheating. He couldn't even keep his mouth shut to the parents of a soldier.

Trump truly does represent the whiny, self entitled, false victimhood of white supremacists.

[Cthulhu 2020]

The word racist means that you believe your race is superior to any other race.

Well we found your problem right away. You think that racist = white supremacist, or some other kind of racial supremacy, which would explain why you don't think anything said by Trump is racist.

[Deleted]

Nice that you keep using "real" Americans, insinuating people that do not support Trump are not real Americans.

They aren't. Anyone that would support Hillary Clinton - or the Democratic Party - is definitely NOT a REAL American.

As for who is at his rallies, it is mostly white older men. I have seen the pictures.

ROFL! "I have seen the pictures"!! LOL.

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Well we found your problem right away. You think that racist = white supremacist, or some other kind of racial supremacy, which would explain why you don't think anything said by Trump is racist.

Sorry - you exposed YOUR problem (and ignorance)

Racist means ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY - always has, always will:


rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/
noun
noun: racist; plural noun: racists

1.
a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.


Just because YOU and folks LIKE YOU decide to twist a word's meaning to validate your POV does NOT mean that your use of the word is valid. It isn't.

If you said that some of Trump's comments were bigoted or (possibly) prejudiced you would be correct. Notice how those are TWO SEPARATE WORDS that are NOT "racist"?

Learn to use language - and words - properly. Quit being lazy and using words incorrectly.