Colin Kaepernick: I won't stand 'to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses

[Wells]

That doesn't mean them being African is the cause of the issue. You could put any group that is perceptual distinguishable and is economically poorer on average to another group, European in this case, and you would get the same thing.

I'm not sure how to explain to this to you differently. There's a well documented perceptive bias against african americans. Systemic racism doesn't have to be the result of intentional racism, cognitive bias gets the same results just fine.

[PC2]

I'm not sure how to explain to this to you differently. There's a well documented perceptive bias against african americans. Systemic racism doesn't have to be the result of intentional racism, cognitive bias gets the same results just fine.

My point is that correlation does not equal causation. That visual perception difference is not the main cause of treatment difference.

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unlike glorious Welsh master races flag with a dragon on it...... cause f' dragons are cool.

We should be on the Jack!

[Dextroden]

I'm not sure how to explain to this to you differently. There's a well documented perceptive bias against african americans. Systemic racism doesn't have to be the result of intentional racism, cognitive bias gets the same results just fine.

People don't have to be racist to call them racist.

[Wells]

My point is that correlation does not equal causation. That visual perception difference is not the main cause of treatment difference.

A claim that hasn't been backed up by any notable data, and is a far cry from the original premise that there wasn't any.

[PC2]

A claim that hasn't been backed up by any notable data, and is a far cry from the original premise that there wasn't any.

Your claim also has not been backed by data. A study with all the parameters probably doesn't exist. If you want to prove a certain parameter is the largest cause, the onus is on you to prove it. Otherwise racial discrimination is not a large cause.

[Wells]

Your claim also has not been backed by data. A study with all the parameters probably doesn't exist. If you want to prove a certain parameter is the largest cause, the onus is on you to prove it. Otherwise racial discrimination is not a large cause.

Sure it is. Black people get punished in excess. When black people get arrested more for drugs than white people despite the same rate of usage that's racism. If you want to claim its actually just the burden is on you to present some mitigating data. That data hasn't been presented.

[PC2]

Sure it is. Black people get punished in excess. When black people get arrested more for drugs than white people despite the same rate of usage that's racism. If you want to claim its actually just the burden is on you to present some mitigating data. That data hasn't been presented.

I dont know how many times I have to tell you, correlation does not equal causation. Simply comparing two groups does not mean that the difference you have chosen to use is the cause of different outcomes.

[Wells]

I dont know how many times I have to tell you, correlation does not equal causation. Simply comparing two groups does not mean that the difference you have chosen to use is the cause of different outcomes.

This statement has no relevance here. Black people are far more likely to be arrested for a crime they aren't any more likely to commit. That is racism, on its face

Any claims that this is mitigated by some other factor is a claim on which the burden of proof for lies on you.

[Deleted]

As so many progressives like to constantly point out, freedom of speech has it consequences.

I am an extremely patriotic, nationalist REAL American citizen. That said, I could not care less that Kaepernick wants to "stand up" for certain issues by sitting down during the playing of our national anthem. That is his RIGHT to do so and I would never want that taken away from him.

However, it is also the right of the citizens of this country that disagree with him to no longer purchase any merchandise connected to him or support him in any way. By extrapolation, they can also refuse to patronize anything having to do with the 49ers.

Much like the Dixie Chicks, you are free to express you beliefs but you must be willing to accept the consequences.

[PC2]

This statement has no relevance here. Black people are far more likely to be arrested for a crime they aren't any more likely to commit. That is racism, on its face

Again, that doesn't mean the main cause is due to skin color.

Any claims that this is mitigated by some other factor is a claim on which the burden of proof for lies on you.

Wrong, you have made the claim here. The burden of proof is on you.

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Again, that doesn't mean the main cause is due to skin color.



Wrong, you have made the claim here. The burden of proof is on you.

PC - discussing anything with Wells is nothing but an exercise in futility, just laugh at him and move on.

[PC2]

As so many progressives like to constantly point out, freedom of speech has it consequences.

I am an extremely patriotic, nationalist REAL American citizen. That said, I could not care less that Kaepernick wants to "stand up" for certain issues by sitting down during the playing of our national anthem. That is his RIGHT to do so and I would never want that taken away from him.

However, it is also the right of the citizens of this country that disagree with him to no longer purchase any merchandise connected to him or support him in any way. By extrapolation, they can also refuse to patronize anything having to do with the 49ers.

Much like the Dixie Chicks, you are free to express you beliefs but you must be willing to accept the consequences.

There should be no consequences for non-violent and non-damaging speech, all that should happen is that we use superior arguments against poor arguments.

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PC - discussing anything with Wells is nothing but an exercise in futility, just laugh at him and move on.

The irony is that in his 2 parameter statement above, believing a race difference is the main cause of the outcome difference is a race realism argument. The truth is that society is really complex, there are many important parameters that a study would need before jumping to conclusions. Especially detailed economic factors of all the studied cities and neighborhoods.

[Tennis]

Welp. He's free to make himself look like a disrespectful idiot to repeat an empty message. I really wonder what he has to say about the people leaving bodies on the street for street cred.

How is it disrespectful. If anything he is a true American just like Ed Snowden. Willing to do whatever it takes to make their country better and stand up for what's right.

[Saucexorzski]

How is it disrespectful. If anything he is a true American just like Ed Snowden. Willing to do whatever it takes to make their country better and stand up for what's right.

He is just a man going his own way tho..

[Fang7986]

ok don't complain then though when endorsements and jobs dry up

[Theodarzna]

We should be on the Jack!

I'd have to move back if they finally got a proper flag for the UK.

[33kamous3]

I think I understand the player's viewpoint and agree with it mostly, although I think it's a little unprofessional on his part. It looks pretty tacky for guys in his position (proffesional athletes middling on the highest stage) to call attention to themselves in that way. He has a lot of outlets to express those viewpoints, and that distraction is probably not great for the team. He's also going to look pretty silly if he fails to win the starting spot, which looks to be the case.

I find the outrage to be a bit ridiculous, although not unexpected. I've always found those pseudo-mandatory displays of jingoistic idolatry to be a little creepy. However, I must say that I'm actually a little bit impressed by the NFL's handling of the situation. As draconian and litigious as they've come to be, I was a bit surprised that the NFL (and also the team's front office) were basically like, "Whatevs, thats up to him," which I think is really the most reasonable response here.

[Wells]

Again, that doesn't mean the main cause is due to skin color.

Stop just alluding to mitigating reasons and make the argument.

Wrong, you have made the claim here. The burden of proof is on you.

Nope. You're the one saying there are factors that allow for arresting black people at a much higher rate. Its your allegation, you have to back it up.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Well no one should stand for the canadian anthem either considering all the stories about how the natives are treated.

Anyway all anthems are stupid but his guy was a proven idiot long before this.

Agreed. No one should ever stand and respect anything or anyone.