Can we just all agree that Blizzard is destroying world interaction?

[Kryos]

With all the phasing going on. You barely see a small percentage of your server.
There are like 5 different faces going on Outland realm and everytime it gets to crowded you see half the world fading away around you.
This is one of those features who will probably hurt more people then actually help.

I don't see point in MMO's having a feature that makes the world less populated.

And no one can convince me why it's better.
I am playing a MMORPG, i don't want to see 20% of the active players of my server.

Legion is obviously doing quite amazing so far it has shown us. but the new phasing feature, is one of the biggest NO in WoW history.

I completely agree. I really prefer to have some lags and performance problems if I get crazy crowds in some places.
I WANT to have stuff like this:


It's part of the MMORPG experience. I play singleplayer RPGs if I want a world with always the "correct" number of other people arround me.

[mistahwilshire]

Vanilla was by far the most exclusive era of WoW. Just the insane spec imbalance alone was enough to cause that. Over half of them were worthless in a group environment.

You play a bear tank or a boomkin or a shadow priest, or god forbid a demo lock? lmao. You aren't coming to my group. You can't even play the game with that mess.

Wanna be a cool assassination rogue with poisons? Are you retarded? Can't be taking up one of 16 debuff slots on the boss with your stupid irrelevant poisons. Save that space so the Warlocks can stand around casting curses so the Mages can do the real damage.

There was never an era of WoW where there were just soooooooo many reasons to call someone completely retarded and be justified for doing so because the game didn't allow so many specs to function. "Community" is such a stretch.

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I completely agree. I really prefer to have some lags and performance problems if I get crazy crowds in some places.
I WANT to have stuff like this:

It's part of the MMORPG experience. I play singleplayer RPGs if I want a world with always the "correct" number of other people arround me.

Yea I totally WANT to be stuck in a helicopter flying around inside thousands of other helicopters, unable to move or play for hours upon hours like MoP.

These moments are so fucking overrated its absurd.

[NineSpine]

He cant accept that he is paying and doing nothing in the game, they get butthurt when you remind them that, they cant understand that we dont care what they are doing as long as they can understand what the game is about.

Its like starting Witcher 3 and only doing Herbalism, never quests, just Herbalism/Alchemy running around collecting , creating potions and logging out, nothing else.

They are doing exactly that but they cant comprehend it.

I've played since Vanilla. Raided in BC and LK. Haven't raided since. I've enjoyed the game just as much and never run out of things to do, and never hit a brick wall of not having any upgrades available without raiding.

This may come as a big shocker to you, but the focus of the game is to waste time and have fun, not turn it into your personal sense of accomplishment. If your identity as a hardcore WoW raider is seriously this important to you, you should seek professional counseling.

[KrazyK923]

You play a bear tank or a boomkin or a shadow priest, or god forbid a demo lock? lmao. You aren't coming to my group. You can't even play the game with that mess.

God I fucking HATED playing Affliction in Vanilla due to it being the only viable raiding spec.

What a shitshow Vanilla was when you look back on it.

Legit serious here: That is the reason I refuse to play Affliction still. 12 years later.

[potis]

I've played since Vanilla. Raided in BC and LK. Haven't raided since. I've enjoyed the game just as much and never run out of things to do, and never hit a brick wall of not having any upgrades available without raiding.

This may come as a big shocker to you, but the focus of the game is to waste time and have fun, not turn it into your personal sense of accomplishment. If your identity as a hardcore WoW raider is seriously this important to you, you should seek professional counseling.

So, you read this because it suits your needs, but didnt read the post above?

How adorable, you are a joke.

I already answered you on a post above.

[Ragedaug]

I completely agree. I really prefer to have some lags and performance problems if I get crazy crowds in some places.
I WANT to have stuff like this:

It's part of the MMORPG experience. I play singleplayer RPGs if I want a world with always the "correct" number of other people arround me.

I want to assure you that I "get it". I understand that you like that type of crowding, with everyone overlapping and just being there with a ton of people. What I would like you to understand is that many of us (me included) do not. It makes my gaming time miserable. I log on, don't feel like I can get anything done 'cause there too many people everywhere, then I have to log off. I know I can play a different game, but I'd prefer to play this game. Just not with so many people fighting over the same objectives.

[Krille]

Oh, so it's the focus of the game, but because of big corporate conspiracies he can't actually say it. Got it, makes a lot of sense.

He says that Mythic Raiders will have the best gear, which I never disagreed with. They have also obviously made raiding a key point of storytelling, but that is why LFR exists, so what the fuck does that have to do with gear progression, when you yourself poo-pooed on LFR gear progression?

Is the focus of the game gear progression? Yes. Can you gear progress doing most activities? Yes.

You seem unable to separate "gear progression" from "absolutely attaining best in slot".

It's actually really obvious and not any conspiracy. If you're a leading game developer you won't say things that can turn a certain part of the player base away. That's beyond stupid. Making outright statements like that wouldn't have any positive side to it.

Sigh. First of all the argument was about raiding being a central part of WoW BECAUSE of it being a progression-based MMO. I never looked down on LFR, i simply said that if you believe that getting lucky with random titan forged drops is equal to raid progression you're deluded. Now i know you might look back and find no such quote, but that's what i said in essence, if you were able to read between the lines. You claimed that raids isn't the focus of WoW, now we've come to the conclusion that it is. Great!

[Deleted]

And so we see this fallacy of "just get friends bro" argument. Do you think I didn't have any?

That's not a fallacy. You don't just get to go "argument I don't like, it's a fallacy!".

It's a valid argument. If you networked better you possibly wouldn't have spent hours looking for groups all the time. The fact that you are complaining that you were regularly "in trade chat for an hour or more" leads me to believe that you didn't have many friends or contacts in other guilds, yes. I can tell you truthfully that I never spent even a full hour putting a party together.

I really don't understand people who complain a "massively multiplayer" game required them to socialise and interact with other people in order to get things done in a timely fashion. Ugh, whatever.

[ManiaCCC]

I completely agree. I really prefer to have some lags and performance problems if I get crazy crowds in some places.
I WANT to have stuff like this:

It's part of the MMORPG experience. I play singleplayer RPGs if I want a world with always the "correct" number of other people arround me.

I don't want that...

Now what?

Seriously, why this had charm when I was young to a degree, these moments are not really fun..at least for me. I actually applaud their tech. It has so much use, it can deliver multiplayer experience and not ruining it when too many people are doing the same thing.

[KrazyK923]

That's not a fallacy. You don't just get to go "argument I don't like, it's a fallacy!".

It's a valid argument. If you networked better you possibly wouldn't have spent hours looking for groups all the time. The fact that you are complaining that you were regularly "in trade chat for an hour or more" leads me to believe that you didn't have many friends or contacts in other guilds, yes. I can tell you truthfully that I never spent even a full hour putting a party together.

No broseph, you're just ignoring reality.

I was in a gigantic guild and had at least 4 specific friends playing during Vanilla.

People still sat in trade chat for hours looking for groups. That didn't come out of nowhere. I'm certainly not the first person to say this.

All you're doing is sitting here barfing out nostalgic memories of the good times. Once again like all kids with this nostalgic argument, you absolutely refuse to ever acknowledge the bad times that most certainly did happen.

Keep making those stereotypical nostalgia arguments dude. Just further proves you're talking out of your ass.

[Ragedaug]

That's not a fallacy. You don't just get to go "argument I don't like, it's a fallacy!".

It's a valid argument. If you networked better you possibly wouldn't have spent hours looking for groups all the time. The fact that you are complaining that you were regularly "in trade chat for an hour or more" leads me to believe that you didn't have many friends or contacts in other guilds, yes. I can tell you truthfully that I never spent even a full hour putting a party together.

How about this - I don't want to network better. Why should I have to network because you want me to?

[Krille]

I've played since Vanilla. Raided in BC and LK. Haven't raided since. I've enjoyed the game just as much and never run out of things to do, and never hit a brick wall of not having any upgrades available without raiding.

This may come as a big shocker to you, but the focus of the game is to waste time and have fun, not turn it into your personal sense of accomplishment. If your identity as a hardcore WoW raider is seriously this important to you, you should seek professional counseling.

Happy for you. But it doesnt mean that WoW is not made with progressing in raids as a key part of the game.

[KrazyK923]

How about this - I don't want to network better. Why should I have to network because you want me to?

It doesn't matter. The dude is denying reality.

I can do that too:

"HEY GAIZ MEMBER WHEN WE NEVER HAD TO WAIT FOR 60/70 DUNGEON GROUPS AND PEOPLE WERE ALWAYS AVAILABLE WHENEVER FOR WHATEVER I WANTED. THIS TOTES HAPPENED AMIRITE"

[Kryos]

Yea I totally WANT to be stuck in a helicopter flying around inside thousands of other helicopters, unable to move or play for hours upon hours like MoP.

These moments are so fucking overrated its absurd.

I think it was pretty funny and you still remember this nonsense and the expansion was still too long and boring - so why the rush? Chill out and laugh when stuff like that happens.

[Ragedaug]

I think it was pretty funny and you still remember this nonsense and the expansion was still too long and boring - so why the rush? Chill out and laugh when stuff like that happens.

It's not always about the rush or slowing down your game. On days when those things happen I don't get to do the things in game that I logged on to do. I don't find it funny, I find it annoying. So I can't chill out and laugh, since it not a humorous situation to me.

[mistahwilshire]

I think it was pretty funny and you still remember this nonsense and the expansion was still too long and boring - so why the rush? Chill out and laugh when stuff like that happens.

Because it was an absolutely horrendous experience that wasted a fucking ton of my time and deflated all launch hype completely. There was absolutely nothing funny about it. These events are legitimately terrible and after the first time you've seen 1000 people in one place, you really never need to experience it again. It's always exactly the same.

[Krille]

Tell me, if not Raiding, what would you do? What feature would replace raiding? I wanna know cus people always go wahwahwah over "waiding if outwated!" but don't know or have any ideas for what would be a good thing to change over to.

Because when actually thinking about it they also realize that there's no better way to tell a story and create a sense of character progression.

[Deleted]

Vanilla was by far the most exclusive era of WoW. Just the insane spec imbalance alone was enough to cause that. Over half of them were worthless in a group environment.

You play a bear tank or a boomkin or a shadow priest, or god forbid a demo lock? lmao. You aren't coming to my group. You can't even play the game with that mess.

Wanna be a cool assassination rogue with poisons? Are you retarded? Can't be taking up one of 16 debuff slots on the boss with your stupid irrelevant poisons. Save that space so the Warlocks can stand around casting curses so the Mages can do the real damage.

My first character was a ret paladin, oh boy, the first time I set a foot in Strat living 10 man with my guild, it was a complete fuckfest, rerolled to hunter the very next day and never looked back.

[Leyre]

Can we all agree that Gimlix will NEVER find anything made by blizz to be good?

[Deleted]

No broseph, you're just ignoring reality.

Yes. I am ignoring reality. Because I wasn't an asocial loser that couldn't get groups, my experience of pre-menu WoW doesn't actually exist.

I was in a gigantic guild and had at least 4 specific friends playing during Vanilla.

Wooow, 4 whole friends??

People still sat in trade chat for hours looking for groups.

Already addressed this. The only reasons you'd resort to trade are: Nobody actually liked you enough to want to do dungeons with you, you didn't know enough good players/have enough friends to ask, or you were bad and nobody wanted to do dungeons with you.

Just further proves you're talking out of your ass.

How about this - I don't want to network better. Why should I have to network because you want me to?

Because it's in the name of the genre of game you're attempting to play. This is like me picking up a first person shooter and going "well why should I have to shoot people and capture objectives, anyway? I just want to roleplay!" Yeah, I could do that, but it would be fucking retarded when there are games better suited to that activity available.