Mark of the Illidari

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

So is it time to return any leftover marks we have laying around to our DH alts? And while we're at it, we can apologize for screwing up the raid on Argus? The one that might have killed Kil'Jaeden once and for all?

[AlmightyGerkin]

Demon hunters and Illidan never went to Argus. They went to a place called Nathreza homeworld of the Nathrezim to get Seal of Argus. Pretty sure those marks are done for.

[lorejunkay]

Demon hunters and Illidan never went to Argus. They went to a place called Nathreza homeworld of the Nathrezim to get Seal of Argus. Pretty sure those marks are done for.

By killing Illidan we screwed up his plans for a raid on Argus. Might wanna read up on current lore before commenting on the lore forums.

[AlmightyGerkin]

That something planned as in the near future. In your words you stated "we can apologize for screwing up the raid on argus" which means by your words we screwed up the raid he was doing already. I know the current lore but you need to word your sentences a lot better.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

Demon hunters and Illidan never went to Argus. They went to a place called Nathreza homeworld of the Nathrezim to get Seal of Argus. Pretty sure those marks are done for.

Yeah we did that, but as preparation for a raid on Argus. That was the reason for getting the Seal. Illidan had actually traveled (in spirit form) to Argus, found Kil'Jaeden, and set up magical anchors for a portal. We were SO close to raid night... when some self-styled 'heroes' crashed the party and ruined it all.

[KrazyK923]

I mean, sure.

Let's all apologize for the years-later-after-the-fact-justification for why Illidan's character was entirely retarded in Burning Crusade. To the point that they had to pull a Kerrigan and just go "uhhh well shit its because he's the chosen one or something" to try and pretend all the absolutely evil and horrible shit he did was actually alright all along.

I love most of what Legion offers. I think my biggest disappointment is that, in their effort to fix their mistake in BC, they pulled a Sylvanas-post-Wrath and just utterly and completely ruined Illidan's character.

It's hard to have a lot of passion for a storyline that amounts to "Oh shit we fucked up SUPER badly 8 years ago, now let's just do something completely over-the-top and character-ruining to fix it."

[lorejunkay]

I mean, sure.

Let's all apologize for the years-later-after-the-fact-justification for why Illidan's character was entirely retarded in Burning Crusade. To the point that they had to pull a Kerrigan and just go "uhhh well shit its because he's the chosen one or something" to try and pretend all the absolutely evil and horrible shit he did was actually alright all along.

I love most of what Legion offers. I think my biggest disappointment is that, in their effort to fix their mistake in BC, they pulled a Sylvanas-post-Wrath and just utterly and completely ruined Illidan's character.

It's hard to have a lot of passion for a storyline that amounts to "Oh shit we fucked up SUPER badly 8 years ago, now let's just do something completely over-the-top and character-ruining to fix it."

Did anyone really need to turn this thread into unbridled bitching about Illidan changes in Legion?

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That something planned as in the near future. In your words you stated "we can apologize for screwing up the raid on argus" which means by your words we screwed up the raid he was doing already. I know the current lore but you need to word your sentences a lot better.

First of all I am not OP. Second of all we literally screwed up the raid on Argus by invading. The raid he was already doing succeeded bro, the item it was for might have gotten into different hands but it is still a victory for Azeroth. Raiding Black Temple fucked his plans for Argus and OP was totally right in what he said. Stop looking for reasons to be snarky.

[steelballfc]

I mean, sure.

Let's all apologize for the years-later-after-the-fact-justification for why Illidan's character was entirely retarded in Burning Crusade. To the point that they had to pull a Kerrigan and just go "uhhh well shit its because he's the chosen one or something" to try and pretend all the absolutely evil and horrible shit he did was actually alright all along.

I love most of what Legion offers. I think my biggest disappointment is that, in their effort to fix their mistake in BC, they pulled a Sylvanas-post-Wrath and just utterly and completely ruined Illidan's character.

It's hard to have a lot of passion for a storyline that amounts to "Oh shit we fucked up SUPER badly 8 years ago, now let's just do something completely over-the-top and character-ruining to fix it."

you can't deny that any product of fan-fiction need fan-service, in this case we are having Sylv/illidan, so just move on with the wave.

[KrazyK923]

Did anyone really need to turn this thread into unbridled bitching about Illidan changes in Legion?

Well when the OP talks about apologizing for stopping Illidan, it should be noted that was a VERY recent retcon completely trying to justify Illidan's actions as anything other than self-serving.

So, yes.

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you can't deny that any product of fan-fiction need fan-service, in this case we are having Sylv/illidan, so just move on with the wave.

Accepting it and thinking its good are two different things. I've accepted it from the second I did those quests on the alpha. Anyhow, enough off topic. That wasn't my intention but the vodka made me do it.

[Aucald]

Although I'm a little iffy on the whole Illidan Light-based redemption angle, I'm glad the character of Illidan was salvaged from TBC's close on him. Illidan was a complex anti-hero in the "War of the Ancients" and the subsequent RTS games, self-serving and prideful but ultimately good in his way (e.g. defeating Tichondrius, saving Tyrande, and his general desire to save Azeroth). He's done a multitude of terrible things as well. I hope Legion preserves that aspect of his character and he doesn't do a heel-face turn into Pollyanna goodness.

[lorejunkay]

Well when the OP talks about apologizing for stopping Illidan, it should be noted that was a VERY recent retcon completely trying to justify Illidan's actions as anything other than self-serving.

So, yes.

Its canon, bitching ain't gonna change that.

[Enthralled]

Did anyone really need to turn this thread into unbridled bitching about Illidan changes in Legion?

You'll have to excuse two or three people here on the lore forum who cannot control themselves.

[Rhlor]

Demon hunters and Illidan never went to Argus. They went to a place called Nathreza homeworld of the Nathrezim to get Seal of Argus. Pretty sure those marks are done for.

illidan went to argus in spirit form

[KrazyK923]

You'll have to excuse two or three people here on the lore forum who cannot control themselves.

Yes how dare anybody have a negative thing to say about bad storytelling.

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Its canon, bitching ain't gonna change that.

kay.

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[Aucald]

So is it time to return any leftover marks we have laying around to our DH alts? And while we're at it, we can apologize for screwing up the raid on Argus? The one that might have killed Kil'Jaeden once and for all?

I don't think a raid on Argus conducted by the Illidari would've worked in any case, if I recall correctly that was why Xe'ra pulled Illidan out of Argus near the ending of "Illidan" in the first place. He was able to set a portal touchstone down on Argus, but he nearly got himself destroyed in the process.

[Deleted]

I don't think a raid on Argus conducted by the Illidari would've worked in any case, if I recall correctly that was why Xe'ra pulled Illidan out of Argus near the ending of "Illidan" in the first place. He was able to set a portal touchstone down on Argus, but he nearly got himself destroyed in the process.

A raid is considered an invasion of a large group of people aiming to destroy the enemy. Illidan's plan was more subtle get in kill the leader get out.

[Aucald]

A raid is considered an invasion of a large group of people aiming to destroy the enemy. Illidan's plan was more subtle get in kill the leader get out.

I'd thought his plan was to do the same as he did to Nathreza for which he would need assistance if not a large force as a distraction. As it was he barely survived basic reconnaissance himself.

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[Deleted]

I'd thought his plan was to do the same as he did to Nathreza for which he would need assistance if not a large force as a distraction. As it was he barely survived basic reconnaissance himself.

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It wouldn't have worked Kil'jaeden is too smart probably has an escape plan if the whole planet started to blow, an upclose attack on the other hand may have prevented his escape also Illidan had a bone to pick with him

[Aucald]

It wouldn't have worked Kil'jaeden is too smart probably has an escape plan if the whole planet started to blow, an upclose attack on the other hand may have prevented his escape also Illidan had a bone to pick with him

I'm not sure Illidan could take Kil'jaeden one on one - he was cowed by his appearance in Outland in WC3 and that was after his empowerment by the Skull of Gul'dan. Some kind of assassination might be possible, though.

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[Qualia]

I'd thought his plan was to do the same as he did to Nathreza for which he would need assistance if not a large force as a distraction. As it was he barely survived basic reconnaissance himself.

Nah, he was planning to go to Argus together with his DHs to kill Kil'Jaeden & his generals inside KJ's palace. That's probably why he put the anchors inside the palace, so that they wouldn't have to fight through the entire demon force to reach KJ. Portal explosion is just the finishing touch. He nearly got destroyed because he was in spirit form, basically a soul without his body. He was pretty much helpless in that state, as he put it "his strength was not what it was when anchored by his corporeal form".

Also, in "Illidan", according to Akama, Illidan's power has grown beyond comprehension. It's not like he reached his peak in TFT - after all, didn't Maiev reveal that Illidan also took remnants of Sargeras' power inside the Tomb? That might have taken a while to digest.