"TTIP negotiations have failed" says Sigmar Gabriel

[Theodarzna]

Another thread is talking about the TTP being put off for a year before they decide to enact it or not. It's something maybe?

TPP is tentatively dead, as long as Mitch McConnal holds to that decision and Democrats stand against it.

I think the Party (The Democrats) won't be giving Obama this one as it could jeopardize the election in November, if done in the Lame Duck it could ruin the DNC for awhile.

[Cybran]

You get that those positions are not mutually consistent?

Why not?


Britain has been an American trojan horse since 1982. Always sabotaging the continent for Washington.

TTIP would have been heavily in favor of USA and lowered EU health and consumer standards.


Both are bad for American foreign policy and good for continental Europe. The hat trick would be if Ukraine falls apart and the current American puppets get hanged in the streets of Kiev.

[Masark]

You get that those positions are not mutually consistent?

It is if they're from the mainland. Without the UK's MEPs, the free trade proponents in the European Parliament don't have enough votes.

[Deleted]

Both are bad for American foreign policy and good for continental Europe. The hat trick would be if Ukraine falls apart and the current American puppets get hanged in the streets of Kiev.

Not that I especially like the current Ukrainian regime, but what comes next, after Putin has uncontested hold over Ukraine? he will inevitably turn his eyes to Lithuania, and that's continental Europe ;]

[Independent voter]

TTIP never was expected to pass.

What will be shocking is if TTP fails to pass, it's one out of ever four dollars traded in the world.

[Glnger]

It makes me have to hold back vomit to think that it is the republicans that are preventing Obama from doing a lameduck pass on this. really feels fucking bizzaro, and it really is further proof that the Democrats are completely controlled by the donor class, it really would have been nice if the Liberal Jesus himself (Obama) fought as hard for single payer as he is for passing TPP literally against the public wishes of both parties and the general public.
And then there is the media trying to spin it as Obama trying to cement his "legacy" in passing the TPP. WAT? Trying to "cement his legacy" by going out of office passing the most controversial trade agreement in our nations history? Glad to see the notion of being the first black president didn't affect the business as usual relationship between donors and politicians.

[Deleted]

Why not?


Britain has been an American trojan horse since 1982. Always sabotaging the continent for Washington.

Fine that way they work together - Was not the reasons i though you had though.

[Mihalik]

Fine that way they work together - Was not the reasons i though you had though.

Oh don't worry. It will take him roughly 3 more posts before he starts ranting about our German Overlords and how we should all seek the loving embrace of Mother Russia.

[JohnBrown1917]

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Both are bad for American foreign policy and good for continental Europe. The hat trick would be if Ukraine falls apart and the current American puppets get hanged in the streets of Kiev.

That went from 0 to 100 to reaaaaaallllllll fast.

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Oh don't worry. It will take him roughly 3 more posts before he starts ranting about our German Overlords and how we should all seek the loving embrace of Mother Russia.

But I prefer our Germanic overlords,

[Theodarzna]

Hmmm, I do wonder if I should move to Brittany if America goes full TPP.

I mean via my biological father I can get Irish citizenship, avoid UK and the Brexit train and take a boat to France and set up in Brittany. I've wanted to learn Breton's anyway.

[Deleted]

But I prefer our Germanic overlords,

Ein volk, Ein Europa, Ein Commisioner.

[Forogil]

It is if they're from the mainland. Without the UK's MEPs, the free trade proponents in the European Parliament don't have enough votes.

True, and even before it was unlikely to pass - a shame.

[Deleted]

It is if they're from the mainland. Without the UK's MEPs, the free trade proponents in the European Parliament don't have enough votes.

IT always amused me that UKIP was for the trade treaty - (Hint, it undercuts UK sovereignty too)

[Deleted]

IT always amused me that UKIP was for the trade treaty - (Hint, it undercuts UK sovereignty too)

Were they? Ahah

[Deleted]

Were they? Ahah

I think so? - Tbh i never gave them much attention beyond mocking them.

[Underverse]

Good. I favor consumer protections over corporate subsidy.

[Deleted]

I think so? - Tbh i never gave them much attention beyond mocking them.

That would be absolutely comical. Can anyone confirm?

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Good. I favor consumer protections over corporate subsidy.

You can still have a successful industry without shitting on consumer protection anyway.

[Underverse]

You can still have a successful industry without shitting on consumer protection anyway.

Oh yeah totally. But this trade deal wasn't that, and historically the US is pretty lax about consumer protections in comparison to the EU. I mean, look at the shit we put into our food.

[Deleted]

Oh yeah totally. But this trade deal wasn't that, and historically the US is pretty lax about consumer protections in comparison to the EU. I mean, look at the shit we put into our food.

Yes it's absurd. This trade really was about lowering standards in europe to allow US companies to access it. And a thousand other shoddy things

[XDurionX]

This is too good to be true. I'm sceptic, still.