Eye of Azshara

[Solidito]

So this dungeon is ridiculous as MM hunter right? I don't know if it was the way the pug tank i was with was pulling, but Sidewinders constantly pulled other adds (neutral seaguls, other packs of mobs etc), could hardly use barrage the whole dungeon (even if facing a different direction).

Most groups won't kill add packs one by one and will most likely carve a path through the middle of them all (which is what happened to me, so i couldn't run on the other side of the adds and face the other way).

Was it this bad/annoying for anyone else?

[Deleted]

Hunters have two options in this dungeon, either we use barrage and get flamed when it accidentally pull something or we don't use barrage and get flamed by having low damage..

On a more serious note, i think that alot have to do with the tank. I had 1 tank that actually tried to position himself and the adds in ways so i could use barrage. But i've also had a tank just take 1-2 packs stand still making my barrage usage very risky. Ofc i always try to position myself but barrage have its own life sometimes.

[Dracodraco]

Can't say I had any issue with a guild tank. Running along the edges is much quicker than carving a path through the middle, so barrage/SW are fairly easy to use.

[Pandragon]

So this dungeon is ridiculous as MM hunter right? I don't know if it was the way the pug tank i was with was pulling, but Sidewinders constantly pulled other adds (neutral seaguls, other packs of mobs etc), could hardly use barrage the whole dungeon (even if facing a different direction).

Most groups won't kill add packs one by one and will most likely carve a path through the middle of them all (which is what happened to me, so i couldn't run on the other side of the adds and face the other way).

Was it this bad/annoying for anyone else?

oh yeah. if i so much as thought about barrage or sidewinders, some pack got pulled. just gotta put up with dealing little damage before the first boss. After that its just be careful how you use it. MD helps too. lol

[Deleted]

It's the most annyoing thing I had to deal with as a hunter in a long time. The new Mastery doesn't help either.

[Kirbypro]

Just did the dungeon. It was pretty lame as MM. Barrage would pull the seagull that is flying above my head that I couldn't see. When you're facing at just the right angle. it will pull some random mob from a mile away. Not fun.

[Deleted]

Barrage is the most retarded spell in wow history, the fact that spell can pull mobs you are not even in combat or neutral mobs is pure dumb and show how incompetent blizz is, the spell had this issue since they put it in the game yet they didn't fix it, guess i expect too much from a company that even now couldn't fix the tab targeting

[Deleted]

Barrage is the most retarded spell in wow history, the fact that spell can pull mobs you are not even in combat or neutral mobs is pure dumb and show how incompetent blizz is, the spell had this issue since they put it in the game yet they didn't fix it, guess i expect too much from a company that even now couldn't fix the tab targeting

So you:
1. get to choose between;
- single target ability
- AoE ability for stacked groups
- AoE ability which is basicly a cone ability

2. You chose the 3rd one cause it's the simplest one

3. You hit stuff within the cone

4. You complain

[Deleted]

So you:
1. get to choose between;
- single target ability
- AoE ability for stacked groups
- AoE ability which is basicly a cone ability

2. You chose the 3rd one cause it's the simplest one

3. You hit stuff within the cone

4. You complain

NO, i chose barrage because is the strongest one in single target and AOE, i complain because the spell not only hit target you are not in combat with but his neutrals and fucking criters, and the range of the spell is to damn high for a ''cone'' spell

[Ealyssa]

Barrage is the most retarded spell in wow history, the fact that spell can pull mobs you are not even in combat or neutral mobs is pure dumb and show how incompetent blizz is, the spell had this issue since they put it in the game yet they didn't fix it, guess i expect too much from a company that even now couldn't fix the tab targeting

Yeah god forgives Blizzard to expect their player to actually have a brain and think before using an optional talent...

"MUH BUT IZ BEST DIPS DUNNO WANT USE BRAIN"

[Deleted]

Yeah god forgives Blizzard to expect their player to actually have a brain and think before using an optional talent...

"MUH BUT IZ BEST DIPS DUNNO WANT USE BRAIN"

Agree, how dare i complain about a spell that hit targets that are 20 yards above your head that are not even in combat with you, neutrals and critters, no wonder they didn't fix this spell or other problems with players like you

[Ealyssa]

Agree

Fine, just need to learn how to play with it now. Have fun in Legion

[kontafly]

I did this dungeon a few moments ago and it was absolute terrible.
After the first groups i decided to not use Barrage at all in this dungeon, but Sidewinders did almost the same so i had mobs around me the whole Instance.
The group was pretty cool about it, otherwise i would probably got kicked after 5min
Overall a pretty bad experience, I hope the other dungeons are not the same.

[Quille1]

Thanks for the heads up, OP. I'll swap to MoC and Piercing Shot before I go in.

Happy dungeoning!

[natpick]

you guys saying its player problem are dead wrong its bad design plain and simple,no other classes have abilities that go off wildly with no guidance from player its stupid and will cause hunters problems one way or other,the distance needs trimming but blizz know this and refuse to fine tune a simple fix.

[silverstarzs]

You got 3 options in this dungeon (and a couple others):

(1) Switch to BM spec using its optimal talents. You of course need to invest in relics and AP in the BM artifact to do this . . . but if you are running dungeons it is well worth it - quite strong. Honestly, since we can't switch talents at will any more, but can switch spec at will, it is useful to have both specs somewhat powered up and the optimal talent builds for BM and MM complement each other quite well.

(2) Switch your MM talents when you enter these couple dungeons, to crows and piercing shot. That eliminates the spells that pull shit, and is a reasonable (but not optimal) single target DPS build.

(3) Only run in guild groups which either have a tank which understands the MM hunter issues and pulls mobs accordingly, and/or has strong enough team dps that they just AOE down anything you pull accidentally. This will work but you are still gimping your team a bit.

[Deleted]

Well Azor not accidently says that BM is beter option for dungeons than MM

[Deleted]

Yeah god forgives Blizzard to expect their player to actually have a brain and think before using an optional talent...

"MUH BUT IZ BEST DIPS DUNNO WANT USE BRAIN"

Ye, because the visuals of barrage are not absolutely fucked up and it's totally easy to determine the range and width of the cone /s. Barrage is pretty much a 360 no scope pull and absolutely horrible in terms of skill-design. The player has no feedback whatsoever and it pulls *everything*, even stuff directly above your head. No other skill in WoW is *that* wild in comparison.

It didn't bother me at the time, because I was expecting it anyway and there was no way I could die from that, but I targeted a mob further away which was out of range, I tried to use Barrage, but I couldn't. The mob didn't move. I targeted a mob closer to me which was right in front of me and used Barrage, 3~4 bullets decided to pull the target which was out of range the moment before.
2 things bothered me... why only 3-4 bullets? And why the hell did it even work even though he was out of range?

[Dracodraco]

Ye, because the visuals of barrage are not absolutely fucked up and it's totally easy to determine the range and width of the cone /s. Barrage is pretty much a 360 no scope pull and absolutely horrible in terms of skill-design. The player has no feedback whatsoever and it pulls *everything*, even stuff directly above your head. No other skill in WoW is *that* wild in comparison.

It didn't bother me at the time, because I was expecting it anyway and there was no way I could die from that, but I targeted a mob further away which was out of range, I tried to use Barrage, but I couldn't. The mob didn't move. I targeted a mob closer to me which was right in front of me and used Barrage, 3~4 bullets decided to pull the target which was out of range the moment before.
2 things bothered me... why only 3-4 bullets? And why the hell did it even work even though he was out of range?

Barrage is, at least, predictable - you know where it's going to pull. Things like Cinderstorm has the same range but are wildly unpredictable due to the random directions the fire flies in. You'll get a feel for distance and angle soon enough with barrage :s.

[Ealyssa]

Ye, because the visuals of barrage are not absolutely fucked up and it's totally easy to determine the range and width of the cone /s.

Glad we can agree.

Hunters of my guild never pulled with it. Only randoms when puging. Guess who are the best performing group ?