Unlicensed illegal invader crashes into accident scene, kills 2, injures 36.

[runique]

Stop spreading bullshit

You too mr. "awake".

[sarahtasher]

slightly OT, but I have been wondering something for quite sometime. How does Donald Trump plan to build a wall, while also lowering taxes, without increasing our debt? His plan is currently to somehow force Mexico to pay for it (LOL), which is obviously something they said they would not do. So what is his plan? To try to form some sort of trade embargo against one of our biggest trade allies?

Nah, he want to pick fights with Japan, South Korea, China, the rest of NATO.

[zenkai]

Guess what?? We somewhat agree. You also know businesses LOVE cheap labor. The reason they do it illegally is that it is easier and cheaper than to make some type of work visa or limited stay. Imagine some agricultural place having to fill out 100's of fees just to harvest their crop every year. I'm sure they will be some fees. Who will pay the fees? Business? Well, they will hate that since it adds cost..

To be clear. Businesses do not have to hire illegal labor. Do they?

They do it because they refuse to pay a legal person a higher wage. The American Tax payer gets stuck with the financial burden instead of the business.

This is funny. This is how you want to be perceived. I read most of your posts and what threads you post in. I can make a solid assumption of what camp you are in.

I have been called both by different people on these and other forums. It usually happens on the person I am defending or attacking.

[petej0]

The problem with illegal immigration is that there is zero common sense in the path to becoming a legal citizen. You basically have to be an illegal citizen first to become a legal citizen right now. There should be a clear and concise way for hard working people from anywhere to come and eventually acquire citizenship, and there isn't. The only people who think that our immigration laws do not need to be changed are people who are unfamiliar with them. Also, as a side note, the whole myth of there being an immigration crises is a lie, immigration is down (despite how newt and other repubs feel).

Except there is:
https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...t-process.html

[waitwutt]

You've convinced me, I'm going to start taking them all out! I can't let them invade my home!



It has nothing to do with it. You can't play "could have been". These two people could have died later from any number of ills or accidents. His status, again, is not related. The company's negligence is; they hired someone without a license.

I agree. you cant play the could have game. that's like saying 6 million jews could have lived in peace if it wasn't for hitler. we don't know that.. they could have died any number of ways.

or the people in the 911 towers could still be alive today if it werent for terrorists. we don't know that either! maybe they were all about get in car accidents caused by illegals as soon as they left!

[zenkai]

OK here's a scenario:
An illegal immigrant family is robbed by a "good outstanding legal citizen" . Do they report it? No. Your scenario? No. There's no point to your scenario, it's like asking why fried food is fatty in an immigration discussion.

Why did you bring up the fact that illegal immigrants report crimes at a lower rate than others when presented with evidence that their crime rate is reported to be lower?

You should turn off your blinders hypocrite - your bias view can't even understand why your scenario is pointless.

I see your scenario and will logically say it happens but...

Most illegally live in a community, most crime usually happens from someone you know.

[Zeta333]

You've convinced me, I'm going to start taking them all out! I can't let them invade my home!



It has nothing to do with it. You can't play "could have been". These two people could have died later from any number of ills or accidents. His status, again, is not related. The company's negligence is; they hired someone without a license.

They hired someone without a license and someone that was illegally in the country.

[runique]

Except there is:
https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...t-process.html

These really don't apply to normal, hard working people. Also, visa doesn't equal citizenship. Don't be a dumbass.

[zenkai]

Except there is:
https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...t-process.html

Hey @runique I am awake for this

[Noxx79]

I see your scenario and will logically say it happens but...

Most illegally live in a community, most crime usually happens from someone you know.

Does it? Can you prove that? Murders do, theft doesn't.

Prove to me that most crimes against illegals that aren't reported are committed by illegals.

I'll hold my breath

[TrumpIsPresident]

Would you include sanctuary cities in this? I hope so. Sue the cities for everything they've got.

Absolutely, we do exactly what Obama threatened to do over the tranny school-bathroom incident only on a larger scale. All federal funding of any kind including services which are managed under federal oversight would be cut off for sanctuary cities until they comply with immigration law and submit various records for audit. Good news is unlike Obama's use of the tactic this one would actually be legal.

[runique]

Hey @runique I am awake for this

First of all, these really don't apply to the people group i posted about (see the posts) second of all, having a visa and being a citizen are not the same thing.

[Paranoid Android]

They do it because they refuse to pay a legal person a higher wage. The American Tax payer gets stuck with the financial burden instead of the business.

Okay. Once last time. You NEVER see Trump and his supporters once talk about this fact. So to be fair and we blame business and illegals 50/50. They never talk about the other side. Hey! Dems don't say shit either!

I have been called both by different people on these and other forums. It usually happens on the person I am defending or attacking

Once last time. Your perception of you, does not coincide with your posts. My opinion.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Thats because your point is completely pointless. The Causality you are referring to is pretty much 100% meaningless here. His legal status as an immigrant did not cause the accident. Him being unqualified to operate the vehicle did. If he was here illegally, but was fully qualified to operate the vehicle, the accident wouldn't have happened. Attempting to pin the blame for the accident on him purely based on his presence is laughably stupid.

Causality deniers, meh.

FACT: If he had not illegally invaded he would not have been there to cause that wreck.

[zenkai]

Does it? Can you prove that? Murders do, theft doesn't.

Prove to me that most crimes against illegals that aren't reported are committed by illegals.

I'll hold my breath

Really? Because it isn't easier to steal from someone you know? ok...

[waitwutt]

...wha?

Since when does being a Legal citizen automatically make you a perfect accident-free driver!? o_O

he meant to say if he wasn't in America at all he wouldn't have been able to cause this accident.

[zenkai]

Okay. Once last time. You NEVER see Trump and his supporters once talk about this fact. So to be fair and we blame business and illegals 50/50. They never talk about the other side. Hey! Dems don't say shit either!



Once last time. Your perception of you, does not coincide with your posts. My opinion.

Because you read all my post? You follow me on every forum?

[Rhinopotamus]

You you are for illegal immigration you are for slave labor wages and second class citizens.

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Assume? It's a scenario. Maybe you should look up what that is. I never said all crime done to an illegal is from other illegals holy shit.

I'm not for it, I want them all to go home, and come back legally. You can't just walk into a country, and be like "this is home now" this isn't the age of exploration anymore. We have globalized. Every major country in the world has immigration laws, and will swiftly imprison or deport you, including Mexico. I think companies should be heavily fined if not downright shut down for hiring illegals, and you can't be a second class citizen... if you're not a citizen. You're an illegal migrant who needs to go home, and come back legally.

[runique]

Causality deniers, meh.

FACT: If he had not illegally invaded he would not have been there to cause that wreck.

Using butterfly effect-esque logic to try and establish why we need a tougher border is frankly really, really stupid. You can try to make almost any point you want to by back tracking that much, doesn't mean it is correct.

[alexw]

If you're an illegal immigrant in a community of illegal immigrants and one of them steals from you, are you going to report the crime? Yes or no or will you dodge this question?

Which is irrelevant to the point at hand. You do understand the meaning of the word evidence, yes? What you are doing is making a unsubstantiated claim. So again I ask provide evidence and I mean evidence of what you are claiming.