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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    the night elves in valshara are a tree culture.
    that's cos they are druids.. notice the priests don't live in trees, but at the temple. I think you are assuming all of night elven culture is druidsm, where the lore is very emphtaically showing you it's only a part. And gives you a reason why the main and largest group focused there for 10k years, and is also showing you clearly why and how this is no longer the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myrok View Post
    How do you know? Take off your Kaldorei blinders.
    that's not hard. Night elves are the "dark" elves, they were introduced that way, they even have the "night" appended to them. Just that in wow, dark elves aren't like they are in other games or fantsy genres, and they aren't 1-dimensional either. They were introduced in WC3 opening narrative as a great arcanee civilization, that was really good. Queen went bonkers, world sundered, and 1 of the surviving groups put aside using magic for fear it would brung back the legion for 10k years, but legion came back anwyyway, they beat them again, but their arcane free era ended, and once again they changed aren't werne't shy of it either. The biggest difference between them and the dark elves is that they aren't evil, and they are more than 1-dimensional.

    The story of the night elves is still on-going. Raven has a clearer picture of this, not surprising, as he obsesses over them. When we are introduced to them, the first group we meet, has gone from an arcane culture, to a nature one then to a post nature one. We meet them at an end of second era. It's a bit naive to think they would stay there, both the arcane and nature dominance is actually the past and I feel that their story now is showing how htey recover from the devastation going all the way back to the sundering and blizzard is showing that it bits.

    When blizzard next turn to them, for the first time since release is in the cata remake, they introduce or re-introduce the highborne, and decide to continue the story re-connecting their arcane heritage. It's clear they aren't trying to pidgeon hole night elves into forest elves or anything like that, and all indications of the nightborne point to a continuation of the story of the night elves. There is no dark evles and forest elves because you already have that in the night elves.

    It seems weird that every race would get multiple diversification and complex groups and interactons, but the night elves should somehow stay foresty nature? The lore explains quite clearly, the foresty nature is the druidc side of things, and they continue on, not being night elven exclusive, or have you not noticed a lot of the Val'sharah dreamer world quests are givent o you by a worgen and not a night elf. The zone is night elf dominated, becasue that's the group that actually makes there its home nad has done for 10k years, and they are not part of the Kalimdor group.

    I know, it's hard to conceive there can be more than one night elf groups and cultures, or that blizzard would actually dare to majorly progress the night elves. Perhaps it's because they did so little with them in 14 years, but the signs were there, they started hinting at this in cataclysm.

    It's okay for blizzard to do this you know, and al ot of people like it, you may not like night elves not being exclusively druidic, but druidsm is not a night elf only thing in wow, and the ngiht elves aren't defined by it alone, it's only a third of their soceityies, wehn you count the nightborne and highborne, and the priests, well the arcane socieiteies are not small, and the priesthood dominates the kal'dorei, just like the arcane dominates the shal'dorei and quel'dorei.
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    I would say the Shal'dorei are about as far from Kaldorei Night Elves as the Quel'dorei are, if not more so. Consuming the energies of the Nightwell has mutated them both metaphysically and physiologically - like the Blood Elves they now require Arcane energies to live, to the point that they need to consume the physical aspect of their font of power directly. This is underscored pretty straight when you get the Moon Guard area of Suramar and see their interaction with unchanged Suramar natives (those few who remained cut off from Suramar City but remained in Suramar proper. The Nightborne Shal'dorei are both contemptuous of the Kaldorei and Quel'dorei as they are all outsiders, and they aren't considered part of their society except by heritage (if even that).

    In reference to the OP I would really like to see interaction between the Blood Elves and Nightborne, as so far I've not seen much of anything in that vein. As Suramar is going to be expanded in 7.1 I'm sure there will probably be some movement in that direction.
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  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I would say the Shal'dorei are about as far from Kaldorei Night Elves as the Quel'dorei are, if not more so. Consuming the energies of the Nightwell has mutated them both metaphysically and physiologically - like the Blood Elves they now require Arcane energies to live, to the point that they need to consume the physical aspect of their font of power directly. This is underscored pretty straight when you get the Moon Guard area of Suramar and see their interaction with unchanged Suramar natives (those few who remained cut off from Suramar City but remained in Suramar proper. The Nightborne Shal'dorei are both contemptuous of the Kaldorei and Quel'dorei as they are all outsiders, and they aren't considered part of their society except by heritage (if even that).

    In reference to the OP I would really like to see interaction between the Blood Elves and Nightborne, as so far I've not seen much of anything in that vein. As Suramar is going to be expanded in 7.1 I'm sure there will probably be some movement in that direction.
    I would say they are moreso, they are the extreme of night elvenism they don't come more night than the shal'dorei. THe kal'dorei seem to be a little bit more towards the centre, while the sin'dorei seem to be at the other end.

    The blood elves don't require arcane energy to live Aucald, they never did, that is the whole schism between the high elves and the blood elves. you started using fel which we find unacceptable because it wasn't necessary for you to do so, you could have weathered the storm and adjusted like we did. And the blood elves are like don't you be looking down on me, we did what was necessary. The high elves are like - you betrayed your principles, the core of who you are by doing this. Blood elves, are yeh, tha't shwy we are blood elves now, not high elves.

    The Shal'dorei on the other hand had only the nightwell to survive in such a bubble, so they came to rely on it for literaly everything, even food and clothing. You have to remember though, the Shal'dorei the moonguard fight are felsworn - as Thalyssra points out, they are not in their right minds, we would have treated you diffefrently.

    you have to bear that in mind when you're in Suramar too, the "bad apples" are the ones that are on the rise here, they've adopted this new evil, completely self absorbed way in line with their legion masters - this is in contrast to those who've not been a part of that, or those who oppose the direction the leadership took, you notice they are quite different attitude. It shouldn't surprise you though. what happens when the bad boys take over? all the bad attitudes and bad behviour people come out, those who were pretending to be civil and considerate stop being so because evil is now in charge. Attitude is now in charge, Elisande is no longer standing for justice and righteousness, but now is letting the legion take charge. So callous, cold and ambitious rules the day.

    Blizzard have written this well, it is what you'd expect a group who's been hiding for so long, but now on emerging, have the Legion behind them.. except this is not the majority of the group.. this is the loyalists who are following Elisande even in the bad decision, you have the felsworn amongst them who are very few, who are fully legion supporting, and then you have the majoirty including nobles like Ly'leth who are fighting this. REmember Thalyssra's most public coup attempt 1 failed, and she was thought dead, the quests point out to you, with that, many contending and opposing voices quietened down in fear, evne in the party, as you go talking to guests you notice no one wasnts to be seen openly opposing the legion as they quickly move away from the conversation.

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    Blizzard even make it easy for you, if you poke various NPCs when you're in Suramar, you get to know the ones that are loyalists, felsworn or normal citizens you're helping/saving and those who are firmly with you. The voice files are different in each.

    Remember blizzard have done something new here they've nver done before with the level of detail etc.

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    they never did, that is the whole schism between the high elves and the blood elves. you started using fel which we find unacceptable because it wasn't necessary for you to do so
    That's not why the schism happened. They were mad that Rommath told them to start draining mana wyrms, etc. Not even the majority of Blood elves knew Rommath rebuilt the city with the aid of Fel magic.

    The high elves are like - you betrayed your principles, the core of who you are by doing this. Blood elves, are yeh, tha't shwy we are blood elves now, not high elves
    you can "survive" without it, but that means seizures and hallucinations. Sitting on your ass going through withdrawl would have maybe been taken seriously, if the Blood elves also werent fighting the scourge that Arthas left behind in the ruins of Silvermoon.


    Elisande is no longer standing for justice and righteousness, but now is letting the legion take charge. So callous, cold and ambitious rules the day.
    which makes it more funny that she ends up being saved when she is literally Female Kael'thas.
    Quote Originally Posted by WoWKnight65 View Post
    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    The blood elves don't require arcane energy to live Aucald, they never did, that is the whole schism between the high elves and the blood elves. you started using fel which we find unacceptable because it wasn't necessary for you to do so, you could have weathered the storm and adjusted like we did. And the blood elves are like don't you be looking down on me, we did what was necessary. The high elves are like - you betrayed your principles, the core of who you are by doing this. Blood elves, are yeh, tha't shwy we are blood elves now, not high elves.
    I would disagree on this score, the presence of the Wretched in Silvermoon and the Isle of Quel'danas underscores a very strong need for the Arcane even for the Blood Elves - not to mention the racial fatigue and illness following the destruction of the Sunwell by Arthas. Unlike the Nightborne this addiction to the Arcane isn't quite as strong, allowing both the Blood Elves and the High Elves to subsist for a time without the Sunwell until it was renewed by the events of the Sunwell Plateau. High Elves were not themselves immune (either by moral or biological fortification) to the additiction of their Blood Elven kin - Cataclysm shows what happened to Ranger-Lord (now Death-Hunter) Hawkspear and his holdouts at High Elven lodge in the Eastern Plaguelands. Without being able to sate their Arcane addiction in *some* fashion it seems that both the Sin'dorei and Quel'dorei are deeply effected and eventually become Wretched.

    I do really like the story and lore-related flourishes Blizzard has added in Legion, there's a strong commitment to story that really seems to strengthen the quest narrative and connects you to the world. They've really gone all out on attention to detail and secondary touch-ups to the leveling experience.
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Without being able to sate their Arcane addiction in *some* fashion it seems that both the Sin'dorei and Quel'dorei are deeply effected and eventually become Wretched.
    That is wrong, high and blood elves don't need magic to survive, they can go cold turkey. But it has consequences like permanent physical or mental damage, but they do not degenerate. High and Blood elves become wretched if they consume magic to a point their body can no longer handle. The high elves unlike the blood elves often used artifacts to sate their hunger and those in Quel'lithien found and incredible powerful one, which in the end caused them all to turn into wretched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    That is wrong, high and blood elves don't need magic to survive, they can go cold turkey. But it has consequences like permanent physical or mental damage, but they do not degenerate. High and Blood elves become wretched if they consume magic to a point their body can no longer handle. The high elves unlike the blood elves often used artifacts to sate their hunger and those in Quel'lithien found and incredible powerful one, which in the end caused them all to turn into wretched.
    I don't mean to imply that, like the Nightfallen or Withered, that not satiating the addiction causes them to become Wretched but that the addiction causes them to lose control of their Arcane equilibrium and seek out energy that then causes them to devolve into Wretched. The addiction causes their issues with self control - we don't know if there would've been further longer term issues that arose without the Sunwell's influence (as it was restored relatively swiftly all in all). Of the Azerothian Quel'dorei only a handful seem to have avoided becoming Wretched, and most of those are stationed in a place where magical saturation (e.g. Dalaran) may have had a hand in smoothing out of the worst symptoms of their addiction.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I don't mean to imply that, like the Nightfallen or Withered, that not satiating the addiction causes them to become Wretched but that the addiction causes them to lose control of their Arcane equilibrium and seek out energy that then causes them to devolve into Wretched. The addiction causes their issues with self control - we don't know if there would've been further longer term issues that arose without the Sunwell's influence (as it was restored relatively swiftly all in all). Of the Azerothian Quel'dorei only a handful seem to have avoided becoming Wretched, and most of those are stationed in a place where magical saturation (e.g. Dalaran) may have had a hand in smoothing out of the worst symptoms of their addiction.
    The sunwell was gone for several years and there are elves who went cold turkey, the encyclopedia spells that out quite clearly. The sunwell was always just a boost to the citizens of Quel'thalas, they grew somewhat dependent on its energies,but they never outright consumed it. They might have been similarly addicted if they had used sunwell infused manawine instead of food though.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Hctaz View Post
    I would hope not lol. This is kind of silly. Blood elves should play as much a pivotal role in their reintegration into a normal society as the Night Elves should. Sure, the Nightborne are more Night Elf than anything, but they're even worse off than the Blood elves were in their addiction to magic. The Night Elves might be able to help these people get back to nature but they won't be able to do anything about sating their addictions. The Blood Elves dealt with this for a long time and had to deal with finding solutions to their problems. Both groups should work together towards finding the salvation of these people... but more likely they will be forgotten once we save them from the Legion and they will stay isolated, arcane addicted elves with little regard for nature.
    I thought the blood elves would be all over the first arcane night elf group the house of Shen'dralar Highborne, but apart from a brief presence in horde cities as Reforgers, there was almost zero connection, all the connection was on the night elf side and there wasn't much there either. MAking it clear blizzard are expanding the night elf portion of the lore with the Shal'dorei and the Quel'dorei. It shouldn't surprise you either, when the Blood elves were introduced as playable they had almost no night elf interaction except for beating the stuffing out of then in Shalandris isle, after that, you don't see any night elf interaction in all of TBC, Draenei are the main connection for the blood elves. When night elves show up it's usually blood elves humiliating them, but it wasn't a focus in TBC.

    oh, and the nightborne while worse off than the blood elves, this is not due to addiction to magic on their part but corruption in the nightwell. It becomes clear as you go along that this is not an addiction issue going on with the nightborne, addiction would be the wrong word to use. So blizzard are being a bit more subtle here, because in Azsuna it looks a bit like it's an addiction, and you might conclude that, but when you finally get to Suramar, meet THalsysra and the tale unfolds as you go on, it's nothing to do with addiction and you really feel it for them. If the arrrogant loyalists don't put you off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    oh, and the nightborne while worse off than the blood elves, this is not due to addiction to magic on their part but corruption in the nightwell. It becomes clear as you go along that this is not an addiction issue going on with the nightborne, addiction would be the wrong word to use. So blizzard are being a bit more subtle here, because in Azsuna it looks a bit like it's an addiction, and you might conclude that, but when you finally get to Suramar, meet THalsysra and the tale unfolds as you go on, it's nothing to do with addiction and you really feel it for them. If the arrrogant loyalists don't put you off.
    They used massive amounts of arcane power to sustain themselves, instead of food because they are cowards and as a consequence grew so dependent on it, they can no longer live without magic, to the point of degeneration. They made the choice to rely so heavily on the nightwell all they had to do was lower the shield for 5 minutes.

    Many of them will do anything for their next fix like assaulting others or turn to fel magic.

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    there is a Magistrix that helps in mage campaign in azsuna

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    there is a Magistrix that helps in mage campaign in azsuna
    Good. I haven't done anything beyond getting to the point where I can pick my first questing zone on my BE mage with Felo'melorn, but I hope there's more blood elf presence there than I saw at that point. Literally the only Blood Elves there were one notable guy I assume does stuff with your artifact, and unnamed apprentice NPCs with demon hunter skins for some reason.

    I hope there's more Blood Elf involvement so I can feel like my mage actually has a good reason to be there, not just the Blood Elves tripping over each other to serve the Kirin Tor again despite having every reason not to.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    I would say they are moreso, they are the extreme of night elvenism they don't come more night than the shal'dorei. THe kal'dorei seem to be a little bit more towards the centre, while the sin'dorei seem to be at the other end.

    The blood elves don't require arcane energy to live Aucald, they never did, that is the whole schism between the high elves and the blood elves. you started using fel which we find unacceptable because it wasn't necessary for you to do so, you could have weathered the storm and adjusted like we did. And the blood elves are like don't you be looking down on me, we did what was necessary. The high elves are like - you betrayed your principles, the core of who you are by doing this. Blood elves, are yeh, tha't shwy we are blood elves now, not high elves.

    The Shal'dorei on the other hand had only the nightwell to survive in such a bubble, so they came to rely on it for literaly everything, even food and clothing. You have to remember though, the Shal'dorei the moonguard fight are felsworn - as Thalyssra points out, they are not in their right minds, we would have treated you diffefrently.

    you have to bear that in mind when you're in Suramar too, the "bad apples" are the ones that are on the rise here, they've adopted this new evil, completely self absorbed way in line with their legion masters - this is in contrast to those who've not been a part of that, or those who oppose the direction the leadership took, you notice they are quite different attitude. It shouldn't surprise you though. what happens when the bad boys take over? all the bad attitudes and bad behviour people come out, those who were pretending to be civil and considerate stop being so because evil is now in charge. Attitude is now in charge, Elisande is no longer standing for justice and righteousness, but now is letting the legion take charge. So callous, cold and ambitious rules the day.

    Blizzard have written this well, it is what you'd expect a group who's been hiding for so long, but now on emerging, have the Legion behind them.. except this is not the majority of the group.. this is the loyalists who are following Elisande even in the bad decision, you have the felsworn amongst them who are very few, who are fully legion supporting, and then you have the majoirty including nobles like Ly'leth who are fighting this. REmember Thalyssra's most public coup attempt 1 failed, and she was thought dead, the quests point out to you, with that, many contending and opposing voices quietened down in fear, evne in the party, as you go talking to guests you notice no one wasnts to be seen openly opposing the legion as they quickly move away from the conversation.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Blizzard even make it easy for you, if you poke various NPCs when you're in Suramar, you get to know the ones that are loyalists, felsworn or normal citizens you're helping/saving and those who are firmly with you. The voice files are different in each.

    Remember blizzard have done something new here they've nver done before with the level of detail etc.
    the blood elves not used fel, used mana wyrm. rommath used fel Crystals were to rebuilt
    The Warcraft Encyclopedia/Blood Elves
    Blood elves no longer truly consider themselves high elves, and they tend to have different priorities and behaviors than their high elf kindred. Unlike high elves, blood elves have decided that in the absence of the Sunwell, they will feed their hunger for arcane magic by draining that magic from alternative sources.

    However, some basic similarities remain between blood elves and high elves, for both groups belong to the same race. As with high elves, most blood elves are not spellcasters. Blood elves do not drain magic in order to engage in spellcasting, but simply to feed their addiction to arcane magic. Gaining this magic on a reasonably regular basis has not given immortality to the blood elves, who are just as prone to illness, injury, and age as their high elf brethren. To date, there have been no observations of a significant difference between blood elf and high elf lifespans.

    On several occasions after the Sunwell's defilement, Kael'thas publicly asserted that his people would die unless they found a new source of magic. There can be no doubt that withdrawal from prolonged exposure to arcane magic is a very unpleasant process: to this day it is not impossible that a high elf might choose to give in to the addiction and become one of the blood elves. Technically, though, the prince was mistaken. According to the top priests and medics on Azeroth, the only high elves who perished due to the Sunwell's loss were the very old, the very young, and elves who were already in poor health.

    This is not to say, however, that withdrawal from magic would leave the blood elves unharmed. On the contrary, permanent mental or physical damage is possible.

    Even so, the prince's relatively quick acceptance of dire measures (e.g., draining magic from demons) is by no means characteristic of blood elves in general. The blood elves of Outland have by now discovered Kael'thas' agreement with Illidan, and they have for the most part become convinced of its necessity. Most blood elves still live on Azeroth, though. Few of these elves know of Kael'thas' pact with Illidan, and many would be horrified if they discovered it. Draining magic from small mana-bearing vermin is a far cry from draining magic from demons. Yet, as their hunger grows, blood elves--particularly those in Outland--are becoming increasingly inured to the things they must do in order to obtain more magic.

    the blood elves were dying especiallyold and younger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation View Post
    which makes it more funny that she ends up being saved when she is literally Female Kael'thas.
    well she chooses.. remember how Elisande is written, she doesn't want the Legion, but she eventually after 3 days decides to concede to GUl'dan, in that time she's supposedely searched all the time ways, i.e. she's purely motivated to save her people, i.e. good - so she accepts the evil i.e. cowardly, but after confronting us, she decides she would ignore her findings, and cast our lot in with us, she ignores all her common sense - this is to her credit.

    they obviously don't want her to be another Kael'thas. We know her far less than him ofc

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLoadbearer View Post
    Good. I haven't done anything beyond getting to the point where I can pick my first questing zone on my BE mage with Felo'melorn, but I hope there's more blood elf presence there than I saw at that point. Literally the only Blood Elves there were one notable guy I assume does stuff with your artifact, and unnamed apprentice NPCs with demon hunter skins for some reason.

    I hope there's more Blood Elf involvement so I can feel like my mage actually has a good reason to be there, not just the Blood Elves tripping over each other to serve the Kirin Tor again despite having every reason not to.
    I think many of us feel there is just not enough depth to fully explore everything for everyone. I did propose to blizzard that they need to do to races what they have done to classes.. this way you can see every races reactions to everything that is going on, so even if they don't play a major role in the events, they are at least doing something or involved in some way and you get to experience it.

    There should be way more interaction between the elven groups, i mean it's enough for htem to be their own little world - the night elves and the thalassian elves - lots of depth and detail in both, and it's not like they are unrelated, they are all related, for all are or come from night elves and have that tie. But split in the horde and alliance, it's like the night elven group are entirely separate and apart from the blood elves even though they are not .. you get no blood elf involvement when dealing with any of the night elven groups whether kal'dorei, quel'dorei or shal'dorei - you really would have expected at least the Quel'dorei group would have interacted with the blood elves, but no.

    Same with the high elves when they show up, no hint or sign of any night elf groups , and the vast majority of blood elf interaction has nothing to do with the night elves at all or any of their groups. It's a shame cos I really would like the elves to be their own group really being older and supposedly very wise, be above the squabbles and only involved in the horde and alliance to stop them from tearing each other apart or interfering with really important stuff and to make sure they are prepared to face the bigger threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    Even so, the prince's relatively quick acceptance of dire measures (e.g., draining magic from demons) is by no means characteristic of blood elves in general. The blood elves of Outland have by now discovered Kael'thas' agreement with Illidan, and they have for the most part become convinced of its necessity. Most blood elves still live on Azeroth, though. Few of these elves know of Kael'thas' pact with Illidan, and many would be horrified if they discovered it. Draining magic from small mana-bearing vermin is a far cry from draining magic from demons. Yet, as their hunger grows, blood elves--particularly those in Outland--are becoming increasingly inured to the things they must do in order to obtain more magic.

    the blood elves were dying especiallyold and younger
    That's right, I wasn't critising blood elves, just pointing out how the High elves felt about the whole thing, but largely that the blood elves didn't need the arcane to survive.

    But goes to show how the elves view this draining thing. Like most night elves, the shal'dorei find it really deplorable, even as nightfallen, they won't drain manner from anyone, they even find scrounging for mana from the leylines i.e. bottom feeding quite deplorable, and that's leylines, ofc what the Withered do, feeding off people or anything they find utterly reprehensible, and truly the end has come. They're even more stuck up than the Night Elves - they would find the blood elves who become Wretched absoutley repulsive - to think that someone would do that by choice (imagine a high handed nightborne looking his darkie nose down - blizzard did a great job of showing the arrogant stuffiness.). They'd probably disdain the blood elves too for sinking to that level during that period. but don't take my word for it. How a race ultimately reacts is down to the writer and they don't always stick to their script, especially in a medium where gameplay often determines direciton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    well she chooses.. remember how Elisande is written, she doesn't want the Legion, but she eventually after 3 days decides to concede to GUl'dan, in that time she's supposedely searched all the time ways, i.e. she's purely motivated to save her people, i.e. good - so she accepts the evil i.e. cowardly, but after confronting us, she decides she would ignore her findings, and cast our lot in with us, she ignores all her common sense - this is to her credit.

    they obviously don't want her to be another Kael'thas. We know her far less than him ofc
    Kaelthas would do anything to secure power for his people to prevent them from dying out. This made him fall to the legion. The only reason we arent shifting through her organs in the raid looking for loot is that she was under the thumb of the legion for a shorter time.
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    That's same excuse from you and so many others on this website and your right some of threads do bully high elf fans to a point where they might end up losing their minds to a point of a mass shooting.
    Holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    But goes to show how the elves view this draining thing. Like most night elves, the shal'dorei find it really deplorable, even as nightfallen, they won't drain manner from anyone, they even find scrounging for mana from the leylines i.e. bottom feeding quite deplorable, and that's leylines,
    There is a quest chain in which Nightfallen use Withered as an army to raid the blue dragons to consume their energy abd they feed of a ley line then there is another nightfallen who falls for fel energy etc.

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    The Nightborne of Suramar are brothers the Night Elves lost during the Sundering. The High/Blood Elves were exiled because they triggered an arcane storm in Ashenvale after the ban on arcane magic was decreted by Malfurion. It is normal then that the attitude of Night Elves towards both groups are different. It's not only about the arcane. It's the history linked to it.

    Culturally speaking, I would say the the Nightborne are closer to the Night Elves than the High/Blood Elves. Both Shaldorei and Kaldorei were immortal, or at least lived through the last 10,000 years, to begin with. That means that some, if not most, Night Elves remember how the world was before the Sundering. Same with the Nightborne. Tyrande and Elisande most probably know each other. Their cultures may have changed during the last millenia, but there must be enough common roots, begining with the language, that they would not feel estranged. As far as I understand, they still revere Elune. The High/Blood Elves, on the other hand, were changed more drastically. Their life span got much shorter. Generations of Elves lived and died in Quel'Thalas, so their culture and language changed even more. So even if the Blood Elves never quit using magic, like the Nightborne, the differences between both of them should be greater than between Night Elves and Nightborne.
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    Frontenac;42228104 That means that some, if not most, Night Elves remember how the world was before the Sundering.
    There are only a few of night elves left, who are over 10.000 years old, Tyrande reflects on how lonely it has become with so few elves left in her age group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    There are only a few of night elves left, who are over 10.000 years old, Tyrande reflects on how lonely it has become with so few elves left in her age group.
    Nevertheless, the culture of a race that has life spans of a few millenia would change very slowly.
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