The Dungeons are unbearable

[Northern Goblin]

Your problem OP is that you think trash is a mistake, it isn't and by all accounts is as much a part of the instance as the boss encounters.

There are worse trash heavy dungeons than Legion's content, even as recently as WoD. Dungeons need trash, a string of boss fights would get boring.

[clevin]

You're on bad drugs OP and obviously haven't played long (trash? SHADOW LAB had trash...) I've only done Darkheart, Neltharion's Lair, Halls of Valor and Eye and I love all of them. They're big, spread out and feel like real places vs something setup so you run from this room, down that hall and to the next boss.

[clevin]

The problem isn't the trash - you need trash to make it feel like a dungeon. The problem with dungeons is the lack of loot - PL chance is set way too low and feels like a waste of time rather than simply waiting for WQ's to pop up or crafting 850 items. .

Yeah, I dinged 110 Monday and opened World Quests last night and got two 810 pieces and an 805... more loot than from the 4 dungeons I've run. Sure, that could be a streak of bad RNG but it *feels* like dungeons aren't rewarding enough.

[Enitzu]

trash =/= difficulty
trash is just mindless busy work

Lol. Not sure what casual mode you run but in mythic the trash is usually harder than the bosses.

I actually like the current state of dungeons. And most of the trash can usually be skipped, Black Rook being an exception to this for the most part. Hell I had to teach groups how to skip 75% of the trash in Neltharions. So maybe instead of crying about the trash, think of the ways to avoid having to kill it. Makes for some fun times learning how to speed run

[Varitok]

Nah, there isn't a lot of trash.

This is delusional, I enjoy the dungeons but that is just downright a lie.

[Djriff]

This is delusional, I enjoy the dungeons but that is just downright a lie.

3-5 packs of trash between bosses is a lot? Seems normal to me.

[Enitzu]

Yeah, I dinged 110 Monday and opened World Quests last night and got two 810 pieces and an 805... more loot than from the 4 dungeons I've run. Sure, that could be a streak of bad RNG but it *feels* like dungeons aren't rewarding enough.

Yea that happens when you first open them. Get them all done and come back in a day or 2 and say that. You may get 1-2 pieces of loot a day from WQ but you can get much more at higher ilvls from dungeons.

[nessfalco]

Yeah, I dinged 110 Monday and opened World Quests last night and got two 810 pieces and an 805... more loot than from the 4 dungeons I've run. Sure, that could be a streak of bad RNG but it *feels* like dungeons aren't rewarding enough.

That's just bad RNG. I've been doing heroics/mythics with my guild and have gotten an average of one upgrade every run, a few of them warforged/titanforged.

To the OP: mythic+ is pretty much going to be all about the trash. The trash packs will likely be harder than the bosses. It's pretty much the only way to make the dungeons bigger like people asked.

Also consider that a lot of trash packs are able to be skipped with a little CC

[xpose]

Someone never played vanilla and how it took 3-6 hours to run lbrs because of all the damn trash

[Herbert]

Tell that person to stop holding a gun to your head forcing you to play the game.

Oh wait...

[Lady Dragonheart]

The trash isn't that bad, especially when you can pull multiple mobs if you can handle the mobs.

[Baine]

Nah, there isn't a lot of trash.

I disagree. I think there is a bit too much of it.

[Iskalld]

Dungeons without trash are boring. Yes some dungeons have more trash than others, but it is NOT that bad at all.

[blackphantom21]

You're gonna sit there and say the bosses are uninspired when Coldana in Vault of the Wardens exists?

[Kazlofski]

Hmm there is a lot of trash but I think the problem lies with their HP in comparison to our gear atm is all.

[justflayin]

Look at all the people trying to get up on a high horse and talk about, "You just want free loot!" as if that were even really the topic.

Yes, some dungeons have a silly amount of trash. Especially Azshara. I don't care if the dungeon is longer, or more difficult, but I'd rather be fighting bosses than trash packs and adds.

(Also, I hate when the "real" knowledge you need as a tank isn't how to handle encounters or what the mechanics do, but rather which trash packs to skip so you don't get bitched at by people.)

Trash is apart of dungeons. You're the tank so you kind of set the pace for the dungeon anyway.

[Saracens]

You're gonna sit there and say the bosses are uninspired when Coldana in Vault of the Wardens exists?

I have to say, it is one of the most incredible and innovative fights so far. Really enjoyed it, have to agree.

[Halyon]

Excuse you, I like having to do something now, and not just afk my brain for 20 minutes to do a dungeon...

[clevin]

That's just bad RNG. I've been doing heroics/mythics with my guild and have gotten an average of one upgrade every run, a few of them warforged/titanforged.

To the OP: mythic+ is pretty much going to be all about the trash. The trash packs will likely be harder than the bosses. It's pretty much the only way to make the dungeons bigger like people asked.

Also consider that a lot of trash packs are able to be skipped with a little CC

Could also be normals. Between this and Enitzu's reply, though, I'm happy to hear it's just crap RNG on my part. Bit annoying since I need another 20 ilevels to do mythic, but...

[berdrek]

youre mad youre not getting geared in one day its obvious. I just now hit 850 but it took some griding and some lot sharing, the dungeons is the best 5 man content this game has seen since wrath, specially when it comes to how they are tunned. I am a veteran player who couldnt stand cata, mop, or wod. This is the first time in mayn years that blizzard manages to reel me in, to see someone say this is the worst dungeons they've played is jaw dropping to me.