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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Both Alliance and Horde would be smashed on that day and the leadership of the Horde would fell on the shoulders of Saurfang, Lor'themar and Gallywix.

    Azeroth is doomed.
    Saurfang is one of the few legit leaders left for the Horde and would be one hell of a Warchief even if it was a War Council. Definitely not with Baine or Gallywix though since rocks would do a better job in their place but him, Eitrigg, and Sylvanas (if you really wanted to) would be interesting and would likely be the best thing for the Horde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvani View Post
    Garrosh would've kicked their asses.

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    He also orchestrated the death of Mannoroth.
    Based on Garrosh's track record of climactic defeats, why would you think he would have "won" a literally unwinnable battle?

    And he set up Mannoroth because he has the sports almanac with the score, it isn't hard to win battles if your side if a historical reenactment.

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    Some kiddos around here are cute I admit. They don't know or ignore that the only way to close that portal is sealing the Tomb with the Pillars, that even Khadgar had no idea how the seals even worked they were so complex. The Broken Shore was basicly a suicide attack for everyone, everyone.

    Killing Gul'dan wouldn't have done jackshit, hes not the anchor or some shit, hes just a leader. The whole thing was over the second they got on those boats, it doesn't matter who was in charge, not one bit.

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    This entire premise would imply that Garrosh didn't destroy the Vale and run away to AU Draenor. So, had Garrosh been a honorable and accepting Warchief (which he wasn't) the Horde's role at the Broken Shore would've been very different. Whether or not it would have meant victory is hard to say. But any extra hand's would've helped, so as a Warrior Garrosh himself would have made a big impact. Also Thrall would have been more powerful as the elements would have never rejected him for killing Garrosh so that would be a pretty big deal too. But this is essentially asking what would happen if a villain was actually a hero and helped us out. Obviously we would fare better if that was the case but so many things would be different if Garrosh was written as a hero who was present for the Broken Shore.

    EDIT: Also, AU Gul'dan wouldn't be around if it weren't for Garrosh. Which means no Broken Shore, atleast not in the exact same context it happened in the MU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    Some kiddos around here are cute I admit. They don't know or ignore that the only way to close that portal is sealing the Tomb with the Pillars, that even Khadgar had no idea how the seals even worked they were so complex. The Broken Shore was basicly a suicide attack for everyone, everyone.

    Killing Gul'dan wouldn't have done jackshit, hes not the anchor or some shit, hes just a leader. The whole thing was over the second they got on those boats, it doesn't matter who was in charge, not one bit.
    Yeah, killing Gul'dan would have been pretty trivial. He is a leader but hardly an indispensable one; not the head of the snake, barely one of its fangs. Think people overplay it because of the Broken Shore emphasis placed him, like Sylvanas' snarky line and Varian's death run at him. That last was solely for the satisfaction, not because it was "winning".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saverem View Post
    Or maybe he would have shoved his axe up Gul'dan's nose causing the portals to close and Legion to never occur.
    I'm not sure how you'd expect Garrosh to cut through Gul'dan's fel barrier he usually has up, or for him to somehow get even close to Gul'dan who was behind waves of demons, but he most certainly wouldn't of killed Gul'dan. Grom was powerless against Gul'dan, why would Garrosh do any better?

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    Given how inept he is at everything, I'd say he'd have stepped on the ship plank to come aboard, slipped and landed on Gorehowl.

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    Hmmm, the name "Broxigar" comes to mind. Not saying Garrosh was at that level but....possible if he had actually used the Old God Heart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaziOfTheSkies View Post
    Hmmm, the name "Broxigar" comes to mind. Not saying Garrosh was at that level but....possible if he had actually used the Old God Heart?
    I don't think the last drops of an Old God's power compares to Demigod blessing's and what not, especially since the last drops of the power were used to fight us in SoO, so there's nothing more to use.

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    If Garrosh was less of an idiot he would of made a pretty good General vs the Legion now because he was pretty baller to be fair.

    But he was an idiot so we had to kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormdash View Post
    Based on Garrosh's track record of climactic defeats
    Have you followed the lore? Cataclysm? Theramore? Garrosh kicked so much butt, both factions had to unite to take him down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvani View Post
    Have you followed the lore? Cataclysm? Theramore? Garrosh kicked so much butt, both factions had to unite to take him down.
    Lore wise, they didn't "have to unite", it's not like there was a huge danger of losing, it was that the Horde was fractured and their major fighting strength (The Orcs) were siding with Garrosh (not all of course), so they had to team up with the Alliance, and the Alliance had no reason to turn it down.

    And even then, he lost to those who lost to the Legion. Why would he stand a chance against the Legion if he couldn't even beat the Alliance and the Horde?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvani View Post
    Have you followed the lore? Cataclysm? Theramore? Garrosh kicked so much butt, both factions had to unite to take him down.
    He won some starting battles, but lost all campaigns and the war. He lost at Ashenvale, he lost after Theramore and he lost at Orgrimmar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvani View Post
    Have you followed the lore? Cataclysm? Theramore? Garrosh kicked so much butt, both factions had to unite to take him down.
    Beaten in "Wolfheart". Nearly killed due to his own incompetence in command during invasion of Twilight Highlands. Ultimately beaten in "Tides of War". Defeated in his effort to use the Divine Bell. Defeated in "Siege of Orgrimmar". Defeated in Draenor-Nagrand.

    His only real "wins" were the cunning but quite devious plot to use Theramore as a honey trap and kill lots of enemy leaders, and his raid to take the heart of Y'Shaarj, which he ultimately failed to accomplish anything after attaining.

    He was a habitual, perennial loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Garrosh would have stayed where sylvanas chose to run.

    As a result the entire Horde and Alliance army would have been killed and the Legion would have conquered Azeroth that day.
    Yep. Good thing he's already dead.
    Cool as a cucumber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaziOfTheSkies View Post
    Hmmm, the name "Broxigar" comes to mind. Not saying Garrosh was at that level but....possible if he had actually used the Old God Heart?
    stop bringing this horrible character up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Garrosh would have stayed where sylvanas chose to run.

    As a result the entire Horde and Alliance army would have been killed and the Legion would have conquered Azeroth that day.
    Exactly. As shown in the rogue story. The broken shore was 100% a set up. No matter who or what we bought along we would have lost.
    Aye mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I'm not sure how you'd expect Garrosh to cut through Gul'dan's fel barrier he usually has up, or for him to somehow get even close to Gul'dan who was behind waves of demons, but he most certainly wouldn't of killed Gul'dan. Grom was powerless against Gul'dan, why would Garrosh do any better?
    Cuz he was empowered by an old god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    I don't think the last drops of an Old God's power compares to Demigod blessing's and what not, especially since the last drops of the power were used to fight us in SoO, so there's nothing more to use.
    Weren't they the last drops from the most powerful old god that required a titan to rip out of the planet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvani View Post
    Have you followed the lore? Cataclysm? Theramore? Garrosh kicked so much butt, both factions had to unite to take him down.
    You just gonna ignore the fact that Garrosh only beat Cairne because of foul play?
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