Eventually there will be a Frost thread

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GS needs to be made not DPS negative, plain and simple. Trap talents are bad. Talents made traps by traits are even worse.

I feel dumb since no one asked... but what is the trap with Glacial Spike?

On another note: how is Comet Storm single target compared to Glacial Spike? I'd say it's hard to compare since the GS damage is pretty unpredictable with Black Ice proccs - are there any insights available?

I like how Glacial Spike feels gameplay wise, but am really uncertain how all the talents affecting Frostboltdamage (and thus icicles) work into it.

Does a procced UM FrostBolt increase the stored icicle and resulting Glacial Spike?

[Kuni Zyrekai]

I feel dumb since no one asked... but what is the trap with Glacial Spike?

Not a dumb question, most aren't reading the TC on Discord when it happens.

While GS's DPCT works out against Frostbolt and related modifiers, it lowers your uptime of 3 stack Chain Reaction by a significant margin when compared to BC/TV, which actually lowers your DPS beyond having no L100 talent. This is why it both needs a buff and CR needs a reduction/able to proc from more than just Frostbolt.

Had CR not existed, it'd be fine. I understand the idea is to bring back the old feeling of Shatter combos, but it really doesn't feel like them in the slightest. It just feels like a punishment for casting other spells.

It's really odd. While Blizz painted themselves into a corner with a lot of Frost's coefficients to maintain proper spell priority, the few that need the most attention are the ones with the largest leeway. GS can have as large a spell coeff as you want, up until 4-5 Frostbolts outweigh the potential damage loss of any Ice Lances due to getting more GSes out. FBomb's AOE component can be as high as needed, it has 0 impact on single target. AG-Blizzard can go as high as you want due to already wanting near 100% uptime on it in ST and having a cooldown, although it does impact ST.

On another note: how is Comet Storm single target compared to Glacial Spike? I'd say it's hard to compare since the GS damage is pretty unpredictable with Black Ice proccs - are there any insights available?

CmS>GS at the moment, due to the above. You can pull perfectly fine numbers on dungeon bosses with CmS, and you made the run quicker due to superior AOE.

I like how Glacial Spike feels gameplay wise, but am really uncertain how all the talents affecting Frostboltdamage (and thus icicles) work into it.

Does a procced UM FrostBolt increase the stored icicle and resulting Glacial Spike?

To be clear, UM does nothing to the stored Icicle value. You have [Frostbolt]+[Unstable Magic]+[Mastery% of Frostbolt], where Ice Nine rolls for a second Icicle generation, Black Ice rolls for each generated to double the stored value, Splitting Ice increases the stored value by 5%, and Glacial Spike pulling all stored damage and increasing it by Vers/damage bonuses (Chilled to the Core, Spellbourne, Rune of Power) as part of the final spell calculation. UM is simply damage on the initial Frostbolt impact, nothing more.

[Roija]

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Obviously a no movement fight which helps a ton. But the rogue is 840iLvl Outlaw, and a decent player. I would've done better had I got that RoP down at the end, and my WoW didn't lock up momentarily. (It has been doing that all expansion. I clear my cache everyday and it still doesn't help.) I generally don't have a problem topping charts in heroics/mythics on bosses. Trash on the other hand I throw down a Blizzard and suck on my thumb and wait til the next boss.

Today I finally got my base haste to 30% so I'm switching from Bone Chilling to Ray of Frost for Heroics. Keeping Bone Chilling for Mythics since stuff takes a bit longer.

It really is a shitty feeling though. I've been threatened to be kicked by low DPS on trash pulls before the first boss. I tell them just to wait for the boss and it'll be OK. After that first boss they are like OK yeah that's good, just try harder on trash... I do the best I can but nothing really helps.

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When I visit the Mage class hall, all I see is a massive sea of floating fire orbs.