EU to slash funds to Eastern Europe to step up migration budget

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Genuine question, Do you believe Arabs and Africans would bring prosperous future to Europe?

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yes, population control through war. Africa and Middle East has population BOOM exponentially, while Europe and U.S. population DECREASED. Thus, a genocide is necessary against African and Middle Easterners. It would be BEST for EVERYONE involved. We don't need to kill the firstborn, and intelluctal. Everyone else does not need to exist. I mean genuinely they are having 3 or 5 th children with 3 or 5 wives, and they can not provide for them. If they were Western standards, they still would not be able to feed them. They are Excess population, that would have died by DISEASE, WAR and Natural Disasters. In teh past, they died exactly for those reasons. It should have been their DESTINY.But those things are being decreased by western intervention. Thus, WE are faced with this problem.

Yeah like... this sort of barbaric views have no place in the future of europe.

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So they are only allowed to elect governments of your choosing, or face a financial penalty? You not keen on democracy then?

First of, remember the year 2000, when austria faced diplomatic sanctions from the 14 member states because of it´s election results, this is not new.
Second of, it´s EUs stated principals that a serious breach of democratic values can lead to sanctions for member states, so yes, they are not allowed to do whatever the fuck they want without facing consequences.

I don´t know what definition of democracy you´re using, but i don´t know of one that reads "a government can´t face sanctions as long as it was democratically elected".

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communism is the opposite of fascism and is mainly a socialist regime.

Uhm, no, no it´s not.

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After reading all these dirty - hateful - comments: it is really a good idea that Central and Eastern Europe leaves the EU. Austria also.

If you, Western people, think that you are just donating money to CEE you are just short-sighted. Your economies had a massive boost thanks to the influx of underpaid immigrants from CEE who, unlike the "guests" of the German chancellor, are actually well-qualified for their job. The absence of well-qualified workforce and the old infrastructure from the Soviet era led to bloodless and weak economies which had to be supported by the Cohesion Fund until they manage to recover. Some managed, some - Bulgaria and Romania - are still struggling.
Nowadays, our own economics are owned by Western Europe. The biggest players on the local market in each category are divisions of foreign companies. On daily basis we buy food from Kaufland and Lidl, we buy clothing from H&M, we buy a second-hand car made in Germany.

If the local people in Western Europe do not want to coexist with us then the EU is just a pointless struggle. Most of the people in CEE are actually very pro-European (including me) if one day we feel the need to have somebody bossing us around we better ask Russia and China. We share a similar culture with them, we like Russian people and we have no problems living with them. We are going to be poor but we are also poor in the EU so who cares?

If the local people in Western Europe prefer to coexist with Arabs and Africans then please let us know. Officially, with a note to your governments and the European Parliament. It is good, no problem. It is your choice, we respect that. Nothing against Arabs and Africans - there are quite hearty people among them - but the people from Eastern Europe are a bit conservative and they don't want a massive influx of people of other cultures. We are free to choose with whom we share our land. That's freedom.

Now, just for your information: some of my friends are border patrols on the EU border with Turkey. They lived in tents last winter, without a shower and heating, because of the unexpected mess that somebody in Berlin and Brussels did. Hopefully, the living conditions this winter are going to be better. Our border police navigates the immigrant influx - they are no refugees from Syria nowadays, only immigrants from Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan - to the control points so that everybody who enters the EU is identified and registered. That is because we care about the people in Western Europe and we don't want sad stories like these in Paris and Brussels to happen again. And I just read about your "friendship" and how highly you value our work.

Ahahahaaaahahahahahaaaa "Austria also" - yeah, nope

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Exactly what I came in to say.

"Help poor people, only if they are brown"

Yep, this is why I absolutely despise the regressive left. They're all liars and hypocrites and even when caught, will just use some silly buzz word to shift the blame on the accuser instead.

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I can tell you that those who categorically don't want to coexist with Arabs or Africans also don't want to coexist with you. The moment the refugee crisis is handled (more or less) the far right will re-start their campaign against Eastern Europe again. You know, "raising awareness" when it comes to those leeching Poles stealing our cars and robbing our eldery at the border.
And hey why stop at Poles, just think of all those marauding gangs from the Czech Republic! Or those filthy gypsies from Romania?!

There must always be an enemy image, and you will be next on the menue. 100% Guaranteed.

That's why this "we are white and uhm... somewhat catholic (??!) ...and that makes us more valuable!" is so hilarious. And tragic. But mostly hilarious.

Eastern Europeans are fucked either way, they're also hated by lefties because being hateful is in human nature and lacking any plot armor like islamophobia/antisemitism/racism makes them perfect target for regressive nuts like you other usual suspects on this forum.

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No. They booted Greece because they elected syriza, after booting Greece because they elected golden dawn.

They booted them for presuming they could vote on an issue they had not say about (namely how other countries elected governments had to spend their money).
They (the politicans) tried to use "democracy" as a pretext to blackmail others and got called on it.

The people of Greece elected someone who lied about what they could do for them (again) and then couldn't deliver. There was no punishment for the election, there was a reaction to the stated political goals of the elected officials of Greece.

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Eastern Europeans are fucked either way, they're also hated by lefties because being hateful is in human nature and lacking any plot armor like islamophobia/antisemitism/racism makes them perfect target for regressive nuts like you other usual suspects on this forum.

Yes poor things they're only misunderstood.

[Noradin]

If they are within a union, then I would say it is not acceptable to punish people for voting in a way you dislike, as Kangodo is advocating.

I would never call on sanctions against a country for voting in a regime I personally did not like, for example it never crossed my mind to do so in the case of Cyprus when they elected a communist government. Likewise when Britain voted in a Labour administration, or France voting in Hollande.

Sometimes people vote for things that I do not like, that is democracy.

Yes, and that is perfectly alright, but you cannot expect other democratic countries' elected officials who have taken an oath to work for the benefit of their people to not react to offical, stated declacations of another country to take action detrimental to said people.

They were not reacting to the elections, they were reacting to the official manifesto and offical, public statements by elected government officials. As is their duty.

Democracy means that the vote of the poeple has consequences. If it hadn't it wouldn't have any worth.
Some of those consequences are beneficial, some a detrimental. That is how the world works.

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On one hand, Eastern Euro countries are a bunch of leeches. They take more than they give. On the other, who wants to piss away money on some third-worlders who will never amount to anything? Just close the taps altogether, or better yet, divert them into border control.

Don't worry, all you immigrant lovers will join 3rd worlders sooner than you think while eastern Europe will be last bastion of proud white culture. Enjoy your cultural enrichment.

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Eastern Europeans are fucked either way, they're also hated by lefties because being hateful is in human nature and lacking any plot armor like islamophobia/antisemitism/racism makes them perfect target for regressive nuts like you other usual suspects on this forum.

Wait what?

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Imagine if all EE countries joined Eurasian Economic Union.

It would be a completely different world power balance then. Then on your borders there would not be these EE immigrants, leeches, etc etc (as described in this topic), but a border with Russia basically. Why they would join EEU? Because it is almost impossible to compete while you are alone (economically and military).

It is a _very_ bad idea for EU to crumble and these hateful comments do not help at all, but they do show what few people really think about it and it is kind of sad that this issue has not been addressed.

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Imagine if all EE countries joined Eurasian Economic Union.

It would be a completely different world power balance then. Then on your borders there would not be these EE immigrants, leeches, etc etc (as described in this topic), but a border with Russia basically. Why they would join EEU? Because it is almost impossible to compete while you are alone (economically and military).

It is a _very_ bad idea for EU to crumble and these hateful comments do not help at all, but they do show what few people really think about it and it is kind of sad that this issue has not been addressed.

It´s not easy to be welcoming and forgiving with countries that constantly try to fuck you over or destroy what you´ve built together.

When it was eastern europeans fleeing war it was a-ok to help them, it was also ok to help them join the union and try to get them back on their feet. But fuck us if we try to help other people.

[Wikiy]

Imagine if all EE countries joined Eurasian Economic Union.

It would be a completely different world power balance then. Then on your borders there would not be these EE immigrants, leeches, etc etc (as described in this topic), but a border with Russia basically. Why they would join EEU? Because it is almost impossible to compete while you are alone (economically and military).

It is a _very_ bad idea for EU to crumble and these hateful comments do not help at all, but they do show what few people really think about it and it is kind of sad that this issue has not been addressed.

If you really think there's any chance for Eastern European countries to ever think about doing something with Russia again, let alone enter a union, you're seriously deluded. Eastern Europeans hate Russia. Russia is the reason Eeastern Europe isn't as developed as Western Europe.

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Yeah like... this sort of barbaric views have no place in the future of europe.

Those sorts of views have no place in the present of Europe, or the last 70 years of Europe's past.

Neither do yours, Djalil. Europe's been guided by one principle for the last 70 years: entire nations becoming a bit less selfish and noticing that helping other nations will, in turn, end up improving their own. You know, same like altruism. There's no reason why altruism on a political scale couldn't be a working principle. In fact, it has been a working principle, as the development of Europe over the last few decades has shown. Suddenly stopping with this principle and forcibly dividing Europe onto its West and East, instead of actively trying to remove that distinction, will end up backfiring on the West as well.

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There must always be an enemy image, and you will be next on the menue. 100% Guaranteed.

That's why this "we are white and uhm... somewhat catholic (??!) ...and that makes us more valuable!" is so hilarious. And tragic. But mostly hilarious.

Why are you making up sentences? Who said "we are white and uhm... somewhat catholic (??!) ...and that makes us more valuable!"? Where did you read that?! In the propaganda newspaper? How do you assign a value to a person??!

If you don't want to coexist with Eastern Europeans - do something, express yourself not only at Internet forums. Vote for Alternative fur Deutschland. Don't smile politely at your Polish and Czech neighbors if you think low of them. Let them know how you feel about them. Be yourself!
While Erdogan is not a person to admire one thing he got right about Western Europe: You are faking it too much, always full of "polite" lies.

Ahahahaaaahahahahahaaaa "Austria also" - yeah, nope

While it is clear that Austria - being a Germanic nation - has no business with the other CEE countries it seems that Austria that is one of most active anti-immigrant campaigners. And Austria is asking Eastern Europe to shut down the borders and support this campaign. But on the other hand you think low of Eastern Europe and clearly distance yourself. Come on, make up your mind. You are faking it too much, always full of "polite" lies.

If you really think there's any chance for Eastern European countries to ever think about doing something with Russia again, let alone enter a union, you're seriously deluded. Eastern Europeans hate Russia. Russia is the reason Eeastern Europe isn't as developed as Western Europe.

Your point is right, Russia's communism was a poison for Eastern Europe. We, Bulgarians, don't really hate Russia but it is understandable that Croats do so since Russia engineered this idiocy called Jugoslavia and let the Serbs do whatever they want.

Imo there is no such thing as a union with Russia. Entering a union with Russia is simply let yourself being bossed by Russia. And we all have a bad experience with this.

If the EU is no more we would rather enter a union with the V4. We share their point of view and respect them.
If this is not possible.. well, it is what is. We can't survive on our own in the eye of the storm and Russia seems a bit more "normal" nowadays.

Those sorts of views have no place in the present of Europe, or the last 70 years of Europe's past.

Neither do yours, Djalil. Europe's been guided by one principle for the last 70 years: entire nations becoming a bit less selfish and noticing that helping other nations will, in turn, end up improving their own. You know, same like altruism. There's no reason why altruism on a political scale couldn't be a working principle. In fact, it has been a working principle, as the development of Europe over the last few decades has shown. Suddenly stopping with this principle and forcibly dividing Europe onto its West and East, instead of actively trying to remove that distinction, will end up backfiring on the West as well.

Agreed! Well-said.

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Uhm, no, no it´s not.

communism ------------------------------------------------------- fascism

A communist society is stateless, classless and is governed directly by the people. This however has never been practised.

One charismatic leader has absolute authority. Often the symbol of the state. Advisers to Government are generally picked by merit rather than election. Cronyism common.

Uhm, technically, yes they are.

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Why are the East Europeans on the board complaining then tho?

For the same reason that the other block is self-congratulating themselves for an nonexistent penalty.

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First of, remember the year 2000, when austria faced diplomatic sanctions from the 14 member states because of it´s election results, this is not new.

That was a particularly low moment. Underhanded for presenting it as a non-EU agreement, and unproductive for it strengthened the populist right.
In a sense, that massive political failure is similar to the current panicking and overreaction against some other pop-right parties.

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Btw, from the source: "Eastern European countries accepted the proposed budget"

Why are the East Europeans on the board complaining then tho?

Also most of the budget seems to go to controlling the borders and reducing immigrant flow (also from the source).

People just complaining to complain about the EU without realizing it's actually doing exactly what the EE countries asked for: stronger borders.

At the same time the EE can not complain that their funds get cut considering they've been unwilling to contribute. You don't just get to take money from the jar all the time and expect not to do anything in return.

Yeah but... can they just get the money from somewhere else!!!

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Yes poor things they're only misunderstood.

Honestly now. You sound like a right winger talking about muslims.
Just goes to show that the left can be just as xenophobic and nationalistic.

Fuck those poor eastern european children eh? Their own fault!

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They're tripling the budget for Frontex, Triton, Poseidon, etc. to protect the southern border.
It's not punishing the eastern block: it's following their lead.

You realise Frontex is not protecting anything right? They basically transport thousands of migrants to Europe every day.

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Sounds like something people would say about migrants? Weird how your bleeding heart is only there for one at a time?

It is weird isn't it?
It is the EXACT same rhetoric used by right wingers about muslims.

Not brown people are just inferior.

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You're saying that some second-world country should be able to dictate what the rest of Europe does, got it.
Freedom works both ways.
They are free to do as they please and so are we.
What hideous world views?
The view where if those countries aren't aiding us, we will do it ourselves with the budget we originally wanted to give them?

Remind me again. When did the EU parliaments vote on opening the borders and mass migration without any background checks?


Merkel make her own decision without any regards for the consequences.......some would claim that undemocratic at least on a EU level. So why should Poland pay for a decision they never voted on?

[Wikiy]

Your point is right, Russia's communism was a poison for Eastern Europe. We, Bulgarians, don't really hate Russia but it is understandable that Croats do so since Russia engineered this idiocy called Jugoslavia and let the Serbs do whatever they want.

Well, not exactly, Croats don't really care about Russia. We engineered Yugoslavia for ourselves along with other southern Slavs. But that's in the past. If we blame anyone for the past, it's ourselves and Serbia. But the past is the past. When I said that Eastern Europeans hate Russia, I was mostly talking based on conversations I've had with said people and, well, it's really understandable that they would, given the fact that Russia still hasn't changed.

And we don't really consider ourselves Eastern Europeans. Yeah, I know, to definite Western Europeans, we are, but Western Europeans, in my experience, tend to be ignorant to the point that most of them don't know a thing about my country, including its location. So I'm really not sure why I should care about their opinion with regards to my country.

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That is a tough one. On one hand I don't really want the eastern bloc to get less funding, because they clearly still can use it to elevate their countries. On the other hand, I don't think the western countries would want to have ours cut either or even spend more on the EU. On the third hand, we do have to address the migrant/refugee crisis and the fuck ups that we have done with that little number and that does need funding.

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While it is clear that Austria - being a Germanic nation - has no business with the other CEE countries it seems that Austria that is one of most active anti-immigrant campaigners. And Austria is asking Eastern Europe to shut down the borders and support this campaign. But on the other hand you think low of Eastern Europe and clearly distance yourself. Come on, make up your mind. You are faking it too much, always full of "polite" lies.

Austria is one of the most active anti-immigrant campaigners? Uhu, that´s why we took in per capita more than germany?

Austria isn´t asking eastern europe to shut down the borders, where do you get this from?

And i think low of eastern europeans or austria thinks low of eastern europeans?

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communism ------------------------------------------------------- fascism

A communist society is stateless, classless and is governed directly by the people. This however has never been practised.

One charismatic leader has absolute authority. Often the symbol of the state. Advisers to Government are generally picked by merit rather than election. Cronyism common.

Uhm, technically, yes they are.

Aaah, ok, so you´re comparing the idea of communism that never happend to a part of the agreed upon definition of fascism. Yeah, then you´re probably right, it´s also pretty useless.