Genji Still Overpowered?

[Pendulous]

She's hard to fight because her hitbox is tiny, and her warping around can make her VERY challenging to get a bead on in close range, where you've got a prayer of hitting her. Trying to fight her with Soldier at mid-range generally means you miss 90% of your shots, and in short range, you won't be able to keep track of her, unless your reflex skills are inhuman.

Replace "warping" with "jumping", and that's Genji.

[Jester Joe]

I'm sorry, if you're sitting from a mid/far range distance spamming Genji's shurikens, you're just tickling the team most likely as long as they have a competent healer. He is not picking anyone off at range, he still needs to get decently close to do much.

And no, Winston is not the sole counter to Genji, he struggles against any tank. He can't harass Reinhardt from a distance because of his shield, and Reinhardt will wipe the floor with him in close range. Roadhog has too much HP, so yet again, Genji can't do much to him outside of his ultimate. Zarya's beam goes right through Genji's reflect, and D.Va is probably the only one who might have slight issues out of the tanks honestly.

[Temp name]

You're just mad that one hero who directly makes your life miserable is fairly common. How do you think I feel when I play Roadhog and a Reaper literally eats me alive before I can even think of retaliating. I'm not mad about it, I just pray to god one of my DPS can handle him (hint. they almost NEVER can), or I switch to DVA, which works somewhat ok against him.

The few times I play Reaper, I'd MUCH rather face a D.Va than a Roadhog.

[baskev]

I think every loss I face in competitive right now, is largely in part due to a good Genji just wrecking us constantly from behind.

The only solid counter appears to be Winston and nobody wants to go Winston just to counter one hero. Even then, Winston is forced to essentially play "babysitter" for the healers or back-line simply to make sure Genji doesn't wipe someone out really quick.

Even Zen's ultimate is pretty underwhelming towards countering Genji's ultimate. Firstly, Genji seems to more reliably build his up so they often aren't parallel in timing and secondly, Zen's range appears to be somewhat broken unless you're literally on top of him. Like I'll clearly be within the circle when struck by a blade and still get hit with maybe only inches from me and Zen.

The only thing the "nerf" did(if you can really call it that) is limit, somewhat, who can excel with him. Like someone with a few hours under their belt won't be mopping the floor quite as easily. That said, there is a LOT of dedicated Genji players. I just faced one with over 109 hours and virtually nothing else invested into the other heroes.

If there is no good Genji on the enemy team, it tends to be win after win... but this realization is exhausting me fast in concerns to competitive play. Particularly with escort where it's easy to constantly flank and move about the map with little risk to yourself.

It's becoming not fun because of him and him alone. Losses are fine against a well-coordinated and managed team but I'm getting tired of mine feeling like it amounted to one player who thinks he's too cool to play anything but the cybernetic ninja.

Mei, is also a good counter against him. ( but you need 2 know how to play her), roadhog to. Its more a problem that people can not play those hero's that well.

[Zelendria]

I play Zarya all the time... I want moar Genji's. Jumping and double jumping just isn't hard to track IMO unless it's right on top of your head.
Beam works through deflect
Shields do wonders on your supports giving him the option of not hitting, or hitting and charging me up who is coming his way. Even more so when his ulti is on. Most will happily give you 50 energy for a possible kill.

Hardest hero to kill in general is Tracer

[Endus]

Replace "warping" with "jumping", and that's Genji.

He's almost as bad, especially if his sword strike's up, but he also (now) doesn't deal quite as much damage as Tracer can deal over time; Genji's brutal in close range for getting a kill or two on some lowbies, Tracer's got the oomph to take out a tank, especially if it's just the tank and a healer at the strong point.

[Temp name]

He's almost as bad, especially if his sword strike's up, but he also (now) doesn't deal quite as much damage as Tracer can deal over time; Genji's brutal in close range for getting a kill or two on some lowbies, Tracer's got the oomph to take out a tank, especially if it's just the tank and a healer at the strong point.

A good Tracer can fuck up your entire backline if you don't deal with her..

Which reminds me, I need to practice Tracer

[Endus]

A good Tracer can fuck up your entire backline if you don't deal with her..

Which reminds me, I need to practice Tracer

Fuck up your entire backline, and then kill your tank, and walk away.

She's not "better" than Genji; she's fragile if she DOES get caught out, and has no real defense other than her unpredictability, but a really good Tracer is a nightmare.

[Temp name]

Fuck up your entire backline, and then kill your tank, and walk away.

She's not "better" than Genji; she's fragile if she DOES get caught out, and has no real defense other than her unpredictability, but a really good Tracer is a nightmare.

I've had the unfortunate luck to be on the receiving end of a good Tracer a number of times. Luckily I tend to be playing McCree when they show up, so I can put a stopper to them before they destroy us too hard. But when I'm not, they just kill the healer(s) and disappear without a trace for 20 seconds until they kill our healer(s) again.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

I've had the unfortunate luck to be on the receiving end of a good Tracer a number of times. Luckily I tend to be playing McCree when they show up, so I can put a stopper to them before they destroy us too hard. But when I'm not, they just kill the healer(s) and disappear without a trace for 20 seconds until they kill our healer(s) again.

Being a healer in this game in general just sucks.

Especially with me maining Mercy. Everyone thinks I have a revive constantly on hand and that I should know the magical moment in which to pop it. Even though I can do an entire team save and then get wiped by a Zarya ult immediately after. You get shit on the hardest of anyone...

...and then have the joy of dealing with all of the flankers Blizzard so lovingly crafted. -_-

That said, still have a 73% win-rate with her. In fact, most of my losses are when I'm not playing her. I pick Lucio for the KotH styled game-mode and he's also got a high win-rate for me but if people pick either I tend to be at a loss. xD

[Deleted]

Take Symmetra, jump around Genji, enjoy the ninja tears.
For real Symmetra is so underestimated in not ranked, sometime you can just jump and do a triple XD

[McFuu]

The nerf to Genji did absolutely nothing to change his playstyle. The only people the nerf affected were people who were bad with Genji. A good Genji will always stay back, hit lmb at distance, and pick off people who leave cover at close range. That has always been his shtick.

He is still countered by McCree and Roadhog, and he is still weak to Torb, Mei, Winston, Reinhardt, Zarya. Really the only people that have to worry about Genji are backline healers and Junkrat.

What I do notice now is the only people who use Genji anymore are actually good with him, but since before the nerf the majority of Genji were bad players, no one bothered to counter him. People still don't bother to counter Genji because they assume he will be bad.

[Endus]

The nerf to Genji did absolutely nothing to change his playstyle. The only people the nerf affected were people who were bad with Genji. A good Genji will always stay back, hit lmb at distance, and pick off people who leave cover at close range. That has always been his shtick.

What? No. No no no. This was NEVER something people had any issue with. He's a pretty meh poker. If you want someone who can pick people off at mid-range, Soldier 76 and McCree will both be FAR better at that than Genji.

The issues people had with Genji were his animation-canceling melee burst for 150+ instant damage. More if you headshot the shuriken; enough to one-shot most 200 health heroes. That and his ultimate, which seemed to be way too long. That's why those were both addressed, and his poking was left alone, because his poking is not a strength. His shuriken have a travel time, so you can't aim them accurately past short range to reliably headshot people (unlike Soldier 76 and McCree), there's three per long-range shot that are fired in succession, meaning against a mobile target, you're likely to only hit with one or two at range, and so forth. He can burn down shields, like pretty much any hero, but he's not spectacularly good at that compared to anyone else.

If that's how you're playing Genji, just play McCree instead. You'll be far better at what you're trying to do.

[Temp name]

Take Symmetra, jump around Genji, enjoy the ninja tears.
For real Symmetra is so underestimated in not ranked, sometime you can just jump and do a triple XD

Sym is amazing at killing bad Genji's, and there's nothing I love more than watching a Genji try to deflect when I have a beam on him (Either as Sym or Zarya) and just watching the panic grow as he gets more and more eratic

Being a healer in this game in general just sucks.

Especially with me maining Mercy. Everyone thinks I have a revive constantly on hand and that I should know the magical moment in which to pop it. Even though I can do an entire team save and then get wiped by a Zarya ult immediately after. You get shit on the hardest of anyone...

...and then have the joy of dealing with all of the flankers Blizzard so lovingly crafted. -_-

That said, still have a 73% win-rate with her. In fact, most of my losses are when I'm not playing her. I pick Lucio for the KotH styled game-mode and he's also got a high win-rate for me but if people pick either I tend to be at a loss. xD

I love playing Support. But yeah, people asking for ress when you don't have it is so annoying..

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

Sym is amazing at killing bad Genji's, and there's nothing I love more than watching a Genji try to deflect when I have a beam on him (Either as Sym or Zarya) and just watching the panic grow as he gets more and more eratic


I love playing Support. But yeah, people asking for ress when you don't have it is so annoying..

...or expect you to use it every time a single person drops.

All I like to do is heal, in just about any game I play. That's always been me, I like to shore up others weaknesses and make them better. Give them room to excel.

Damage ends up being too much of the "alpha male", "big dick" mentality that is just so unappealing for someone that is transitioning like me. Tanks are a bit better but I prefer the more effeminate grace of a support role. Always have. Hence my adoration for a winged, haloed character that brings people back from the dead. It's too grand for me to ignore!

I was a WHM and AST in FFXIV.
I was a Priest in WoW.
Even in Battlefield I played a medic class every time.
League of Legends I was Sona.
Heroes of the Storm I was Auriel.

So on and so forth. I actually get cranky when I don't get my heal on. Especially in competitive. >:

[McFuu]

What? No. No no no. This was NEVER something people had any issue with. He's a pretty meh poker. If you want someone who can pick people off at mid-range, Soldier 76 and McCree will both be FAR better at that than Genji.

The issues people had with Genji were his animation-canceling melee burst for 150+ instant damage. More if you headshot the shuriken; enough to one-shot most 200 health heroes. That and his ultimate, which seemed to be way too long. That's why those were both addressed, and his poking was left alone, because his poking is not a strength. His shuriken have a travel time, so you can't aim them accurately past short range to reliably headshot people (unlike Soldier 76 and McCree), there's three per long-range shot that are fired in succession, meaning against a mobile target, you're likely to only hit with one or two at range, and so forth. He can burn down shields, like pretty much any hero, but he's not spectacularly good at that compared to anyone else.

If that's how you're playing Genji, just play McCree instead. You'll be far better at what you're trying to do.

You are pretty much alone in your assessment of Genji play. Pretty much all top comp and tourney players echo how I say he gets played.

I'm not saying stay in the stack for a long time, I'm saying you stay in the stack until you get a chance to pick off a character, then you go pick them off with dash, dash combo, whatever, then you see if there is another pick off, if there is you go for it, if not you return to the stack or friendly lines, however your team comp is running. Before you dash in you should have in mind what 1 or 2 people you are going to pick off. People complained about the nerf to his mobility, not his burst, he still has burst damage, that's high. The change to the animation cancel combo barely changed his damage output, instead now instead of a quick 3 button press while standing still, its a 2 button press with an aimed dash and a melee.

Because of QP and low rank CM, people think flanking characters go off on their own for extended periods of time. This might work with crappy uncoordinated players, but not so much with coordinating teams. The nerf to his mobility was to stop bad players from playing him in a manner he was never intended to be played against other bad players. The change to the animation cancel combo was because it was never intended to work that way and gave too much ease to bad players again to have a quick 150+ burst.

[Endus]

You are pretty much alone in your assessment of Genji play. Pretty much all top comp and tourney players echo how I say he gets played.

I'm not saying stay in the stack for a long time, I'm saying you stay in the stack until you get a chance to pick off a character, then you go pick them off with dash, dash combo, whatever, then you see if there is another pick off, if there is you go for it, if not you return to the stack or friendly lines, however your team comp is running. Before you dash in you should have in mind what 1 or 2 people you are going to pick off. People complained about the nerf to his mobility, not his burst, he still has burst damage, that's high. The change to the animation cancel combo barely changed his damage output, instead now instead of a quick 3 button press while standing still, its a 2 button press with an aimed dash and a melee.

Because of QP and low rank CM, people think flanking characters go off on their own for extended periods of time. This might work with crappy uncoordinated players, but not so much with coordinating teams. The nerf to his mobility was to stop bad players from playing him in a manner he was never intended to be played against other bad players. The change to the animation cancel combo was because it was never intended to work that way and gave too much ease to bad players again to have a quick 150+ burst.

You're not even contradicting me. You're stating that the reason to play Genji is for his melee-range picks, not his mid-range poking. Genji's performance at pretty much any range is pretty sub-par to any other offensive hero; it's not why you play him.

[McFuu]

You're not even contradicting me. You're stating that the reason to play Genji is for his melee-range picks, not his mid-range poking. Genji's performance at pretty much any range is pretty sub-par to any other offensive hero; it's not why you play him.

Genji does well enough in the midrange that while not a strength or purpose of the character, it's not a weakness. It's where he spends a fair amount of time during team games, and he can be rather damaging with head shots.
Genji is picked for his back line pick offs because of his close range burst damage. Part of that is his mobility. But when played properly his mobility hasn't been changed. He can't make some fancy jumps anymore because of the loss of his triple, but it's no killer. And really only affected the lone wolf Genji which isn't the purpose of him.

I never really stated he was meant for midrange play style. But he can do it, within team comps he needs to do it. He can disrupt back lines pretty easily with quick 1 to 2 pick offs when he goes in. But these pick-offs are set-up in the midrange.

I think where we are getting crossed is people assuming Genji immediately dives in, he can't he dies way too quickly. He stays back, pokes, builds a little meter, then dives for kills.

Same concept applies to Genji that applies to Roadhog. If you can't kill on the dash/hook, don't do it.

[Temp name]

...or expect you to use it every time a single person drops.

All I like to do is heal, in just about any game I play. That's always been me, I like to shore up others weaknesses and make them better. Give them room to excel.

Damage ends up being too much of the "alpha male", "big dick" mentality that is just so unappealing for someone that is transitioning like me. Tanks are a bit better but I prefer the more effeminate grace of a support role. Always have. Hence my adoration for a winged, haloed character that brings people back from the dead. It's too grand for me to ignore!

I was a WHM and AST in FFXIV.
I was a Priest in WoW.
Even in Battlefield I played a medic class every time.
League of Legends I was Sona.
Heroes of the Storm I was Auriel.

So on and so forth. I actually get cranky when I don't get my heal on. Especially in competitive. >:

I tend to heal as well, I just find it more fun to be support. That said, I can find the fun in competitive dick measuring.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

I tend to heal as well, I just find it more fun to be support. That said, I can find the fun in competitive dick measuring.

Not me. I'm just there for the sport of it. I even try to be a bit of a cheerleader and keep everyone together.