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No offense OP, but it's posts like this that make me want the death of manually formed group only dungeon content. Stuff like this wasn't fun to deal with at the start of wrath, and it's not that much fun now.
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>Charging for heals
>MFW im a blood DK and i only need you to keep the other 3 retards alive
Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.
Okay first of all 200k is not the same as "a few hundred k". That's 2/3 the amount. Secondly, I'd still like to see proof if you're going to make a claim like this, because even looking at simcraft that's pretty hard to believe, considering not only are you spending part of your time healing, but your damaging abilities as a healer are no where near what an actual DPS class can do. http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T19P.html
Hell no, you think I will pay for some crap ass healer that is not even over 840+ item lvl by now that the expansion has been out this long? hell no, you should be paying me for carrying your ass through that mythic.
“A man will contend for a false faith stronger than he will a true one,” he observes. “The truth defends itself, but a falsehood must be defended by its adherents: first to prove it to themselves and secondly, that they may appear right in the estimation of their friends.”
-The Acts of Pilate.
What are you talking about lol? Are we playing two different games? Which part disproves which part exactly? Either way, click the link in my signature and watch the video I made about healers doing DPS. That footage was recorded in the first reset when I was still 830~ without the third relic. Easily doing 100k on the bosses. Now I can burst to about 3-4 hundred k and since everyone else is bursting to around the same, the bosses are dying before CDs are even over.
And thats WITHOUT prepot or flasks, at least for me.
If there is something else you'd like to discuss let me know, but it seems we aren't on the same page about this topic. Maybe its because you haven't realized how much damage healers can do now?
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i will never pay someone to join my group ever, you must be very entitled if you demand money for healin a dungeon
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You are right, I can understand the confusion about "a few." Where I come from, everyone uses "a few" to mean 2-3, but I know that is not the proper usage of it.
Anyway, here is a video I made for the betterment of the healing community. The footage is from the first reset, and I haven't recorded any footage from last night's run but on the wolf boss in Halls of Valor I did 248k dps on the first half of the encounter and 235k on the second half.
No healing is needed, and the second half of the fight was 48 seconds long, as I explained.
You saw that part right? The sims you are linking are talking about fights that are what, 6x longer than what I am?
But this THREAD is about dungeons, not raids. DPS is an operative word, and in 5 mans burst is all that matters. I certainly will not be doing 200k next week in raids, but in a group where 80 percent of your globals can be DPS there is no reason everyone can't do at least 100k on bosses that short.
The problem is, people like the ones in this thread seem to either not realize its possible, or be very confused about the changes this game has undergone recently.
I hope that video clears things up. In terms of numbers, at 5:18 in the video we engage the wolf boss I mentioned. The pull there is from the first reset, when I was 830~ and you see the number I was able to post as Holy Paladin.
I did not record last night's runs because I am trying to balance tanking and healing content on the channel, but I think its fair to say another 50k with 15 average item level increase shouldn't seem so crazy in such a short encounter right? especially considering how much crit I have gained!
edit - also wanted to make sure its clear that damaging spells from healers can and DO do about 75 percent of the same global a DPS can spend. You will never average out ahead in two identically geared dps/healer comparison, but you should absolutely be pushing yourself to maximize every single global on the pull to help your pve skill set.
Last edited by Hey There Guys its Metro; 2016-09-15 at 12:59 AM.
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No, letting the tank drop down low is not "fine". I don't want to risk wiping and make the tank blow CDs on trash, just to put out an extra 40-50k dps.
You also have to remember that not all healers are Paladins. Even when I'm going full ham DPS as Disc, I only reach about 100-110k, and that's with the 15% buff for random heroics. Full DPS, barely casting any heals at all.
Yeah, sure, in content that I vastly overgear, like random heroics, I go Disc and add a shitload of DPS. But in mythics, there's so much healing to do that I really don't have time to DPS. I'm spamming Shadowmend most of the time.
Just because you can do something on a Paladin, in a very skilled and coordinated guild group, doesn't mean that everyone can easily do it everywhere. Remember that you are also a Paladin: You're one of, if not the highest-DPS healer, and you have multiple AoE abilities that you can just throw down to do passive damage while you heal...other healers don't have that.
And where is this "200k dps" you're claiming? On trash pulls in your video, you're ending around 60-80k dps and only being around 8% of the damage that pull. And on the first boss, you did a whopping...61k! And the tank dropped to near-death multiple times. Other bosses are the same thing: Sure, when you have wings up and you're just going full ham, you jump right up to 250k...and then slowly go down and down and down from there, ending the fight around 60-80k dps, while letting the tank and DPS drop to near-death over and over.
Also, the fact that you're claiming that tanks can heal themselves better than healers is extremely questionable. Sure, they have cooldowns, but "healing themselves better than healers" implies that they're 100% self-sufficient and don't even need a healer, which is completely false.
Nice bait. 10/10. Got me and others to reply.
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I'd never dream to charge people for my healing or tanking for groups.
I just put my group of 3 people up on the list for Mythic EoA, 2 minutes later we had a healer free of charge. Also, every single one? I get sarcasm, but lets be real here.
Or you could join a guild.
But by all means, only heal when people are willing to pay you. I'm sure you will find pugs/guilds all the time.
Last edited by Jazzhands; 2016-09-15 at 03:00 AM.
If you think that's what healers are doing in mythics then I wouldn't mind charging you for a run, and I'm usually totally against that sort of thing. The truth is that we're spam healing the dps because they like to stand in shit so they can do a few hundred k DPS and make themselves look nice on the meters while totally stressing out the healers.
I would never pay to have someone join my group. In fact, I'd probably never team up with said person ever again if that was to pop up.
That said, people are free to do and demand whatever they want. As are people from showing how they feel about the former's actions and attitudes.
Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.