Merkel summoning top German companies to explain why they don't hire refugees

[Yriel]

In Germany, lately the populist politicians like to say that "evidence doesn't really mean much, because when people FEEL that something is real, it actually becomes real". Like, what the actual fuck? But this rhetoric really works well for a specific demographic who thinks that their feelings aren't getting any recognition. They FEEL that Islam is taking over, despite Muslims being in a critical minority, especially in those counties where the right wing parties are the strongest.

So you mean like people "feel" that the "refugees" are all well educated and will benefit the economy even though facts say the opposite ? Or like the police in cologne "felt" like new years night was all quite and well this year ?
Sorry this feeling shit works both ways. I hate that many news outlets censor themselves because "It can't be true what we don't want to be true"...

[Deleted]

Why do left parties I voted for demand this? I wanted to get hired by the German big companies. I went through the entire education system and have a good bachelor - yet the big ones all had better guys applying. That's cool. But why the fuck should they now take refugees? They were brought up in war, had a shitty life and are happy if they survive till tomorrow. Why do they deserve the cream de la cream?

Because as far as left wing ideology goes, there is no moral distinction between a refugee and a native, to care more for one based on citizenship is bad.
(caring more based on marxist class structure, sure, and general misery of being a refugee yes).
Its a wholly anti nationalist ideology.

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But they are there for the free handouts, not to actually work?

Silly Mutti Merkel

[FiveDkp]

I would not be opposed to processing refugees, making sure they are "safe"(not fanatics, etc), and then sending them to x country where they have to learn the native language (if they want to stay), and make an effort of integrating with the society.

As for preventing people coming to a country by boat, and risking death, Australia seems to be doing something that is working...

Australia's Dutton Defends Policy; Some Refugees Forced To Wait On Island
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/14/493881...forced-to-wait

This was actually a report from today, I listened to it while driving to work... made sense to me. It dissuades more people from coming, keeps the native population safe from an influx of people with unknown allegiances, and eventually will help the refugees actually become part of the country as the processing goes on, and there are resources available for the influx of new people with needs.

It works, we have had the pacific solution since roughly early 2000. Our populist left government dismantled the solution and it went back to boats, boats and boats coming in for our welfare. Even one of the asylum seekers said "take the sugar off the table and we'll stop coming".

Now we voted a slightly right person and they've reintroduced the solution and it is working again.

The big thing is that we had a resettlement program with nearby nations who actually needed people like Nauru, Cambodia and many other nations. This is what dissuades them is that they do not have 100% chance of ending up in Australia. They can be put into Nauru and Cambodia if deemed a refugee.

[Ravenblade]

So you mean like people "feel" that the "refugees" are all well educated and will benefit the economy even though facts say the opposite ? Or like the police in cologne "felt" like new years night was all quite and well this year ?
Sorry this feeling shit works both ways. I hate that many news outlets censor themselves because "It can't be true what we don't want to be true"...

What news outlets are you referring to? I have watched the news on the Bautzen event on ZDF and through it I came to the conclusion that both sides provoked one another and the asylum seekers turned to violence. According to some Lügenkresse criers this shouldn't have happened. It's true that there was a umbrella-like silence after the Cologne NY events but this has been like 9 months ago. Things have changed even for the media. Unless you are solely reading the taz and Neues Deutschland that is. Blaming the media is one thing, officials are the other, a lot officials were directed to keep things under the rug but again, this has changed too.
What's left is that social media are frequented with faux news from the extreme right who have actually ramped up their tone. It helps not taking people like Uwe Ostertag serious and accepting that because it has been on Facebook or on the internet in general that it has to be true.

[Hooked]

I think the usa needs to make a pivot towards china and Russia, we could be a team. Europe has commited suicide and in about 50 years the entire face of Europe will have changed. They didn't even try to protect their countries because some german socialist decided it would be great to make everyones life miserable.

[Ravenblade]

I think the usa needs to make a pivot towards china and Russia, we could be a team. Europe has commited suicide and in about 50 years the entire face of Europe will have changed. They didn't even try to protect their countries because some german socialist decided it would be great to make everyones life miserable.

I agree but only if Russia is allowed to lead the team.

[Hooked]

I agree but only if Russia is allowed to lead the team.

We will have to annex Canada though, because they really don't need all that land and we need to get to our partners easier in Russia and china. Canada will be easy to take over though, very low energy military and almost miniscule compared to our big beautiful military.

[Yriel]

What news outlets are you referring to? I have watched the news on the Bautzen event on ZDF and through it I came to the conclusion that both sides provoked one another and the asylum seekers turned to violence. According to some Lügenkresse criers this shouldn't have happened. It's true that there was a umbrella-like silence after the Cologne NY events but this has been like 9 months ago. Things have changed even for the media. Unless you are solely reading the taz and Neues Deutschland that is. Blaming the media is one thing, officials are the other, a lot officials were directed to keep things under the rug but again, this has changed too.
What's left is that social media are frequented with faux news from the extreme right who have actually ramped up their tone. It helps not taking people like Uwe Ostertag serious and accepting that because it has been on Facebook or on the internet in general that it has to be true.

There are quite a few outlets (i`d say most, like Spiegel, FAZ, N24 and so on) that conveniently dropped the line about the asylum seeker attacking the right wing people first. They just said that 80 right wingers fought with 20 refugees. That has quite a different rang to it.
Only after it came to light they grudgingly report it, and always with the conclusion that "we have to fight the right wing structures". Poor refugees...

[Shaktard]

you make it sound as if the syrian refugees did not have jobs like dentists and shit back home? syria was not a total 3rd world country back in the day you know.

The VAST majority are NOT actually syrian war refugees but economic immigrants from all over Africa and the middle east.

Get your facts straight.

[Ravenblade]

There are quite a few outlets (i`d say most, like Spiegel, FAZ, N24 and so on) that conveniently dropped the line about the asylum seeker attacking the right wing people first. They just said that 80 right wingers fought with 20 refugees. That has quite a different rang to it.
Only after it came to light they grudgingly report it, and always with the conclusion that "we have to fight the right wing structures". Poor refugees...

N24 = Die Welt btw. and Die Welt is a conservative platform. By the way I can't verify that SPON didn't mention it. It mentioned asylum seekers acting violent first. It's where I followed the report up from through other media.

A lot people are reading way too much in it. It's not grudge, the media - if they want to remain credible - can only officially report what they know and what they get to know is controlled by official side. If the officials are stonewalling then I guess you could make assumptions but for that you have to rename yourself BILD or similarly. There's also a difference between a report, a column, an editorial and a commentary. A report should stay objective and based on verified informations, a commentary may be subjective and agenda-driven.
Anyway, the police wasn't quite sure so themselves at first however they clarified that there have been a few verbal skirmishes and near-clashes between both sides for weeks until yesterday where according to the police the asylum seekers threw bottles and other items also against police themselves. After that the police issued a curfew for asylum seekers.

As for right-wing extremism in the East: It is very much more prevalent mentality here and far more established. I found it ironic when the Landtag faction of the AfD in Saxony Anhalt made a minor interpellation about leftwing vs. rightwing violence and subsequently shot themselves in the foot. Especially the regions in East Saxony have always been a bit more rightwing than the rest of the republic.

[StayTuned]

So you mean like people "feel" that the "refugees" are all well educated and will benefit the economy even though facts say the opposite ? Or like the police in cologne "felt" like new years night was all quite and well this year ?
Sorry this feeling shit works both ways. I hate that many news outlets censor themselves because "It can't be true what we don't want to be true"...

No, I mean that people who live in counties who have less than 3% Muslim population, think that they're being overtaken by Muslims. I mean people who literally never saw a woman wearing Burka demanding a ban on Burkas because feels.

Whatever you just said was never implied by anyone I know and certainly not by me. Merkel never said "I feel all refugees are well educated".

[Yriel]

No, I mean that people who live in counties who have less than 3% Muslim population, think that they're being overtaken by Muslims. I mean people who literally never saw a woman wearing Burka demanding a ban on Burkas because feels.

Whatever you just said was never implied by anyone I know and certainly not by me. Merkel never said "I feel all refugees are well educated".

A year ago everyone from the government coalition said that. Yes maybe not Merkel herself because she never says anything definitve. But i just read a lot of quotes from CEOs of german companies like the one from Zetsche from Daimler who said ""Die meisten Flüchtlinge sind jung, gut ausgebildet und hoch motiviert. Genau solche Leute suchen wir doch." Everybody said that.
I can remember well how the CSU was the only party that doubted that and there were called rasists and nazis because of that.

Also relevant (in german): http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...-14378135.html

N24 = Die Welt btw. and Die Welt is a conservative platform. By the way I can't verify that SPON didn't mention it. It mentioned asylum seekers acting violent first. It's where I followed the report up from through other media.

It may have been n-tv.

[Tierbook]

I agree but only if Russia is allowed to lead the team.

Why would the weakest member lead the team.....


Hell why would the US need to be on any team, we are as powerful by ourselves as the EU or Russia/China and their allies.

[Ravenblade]

A year ago everyone from the government coalition said that. Yes maybe not Merkel herself because she never says anything definitve. But i just read a lot of quotes from CEOs of german companies like the one from Zetsche from Daimler who said ""Die meisten Flüchtlinge sind jung, gut ausgebildet und hoch motiviert. Genau solche Leute suchen wir doch." Everybody said that.
I can remember well how the CSU was the only party that doubted that and there were called rasists and nazis because of that.

Also relevant (in german): http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...-14378135.html


It may have been n-tv.

Yeah, that's the problem: Merkel's policy wasn't really the result of the industry calling for more skilled workers from abroad. However the timing was just so that everyone could have made a guess that it's got to do something with it. The BDI president asked for more immigrants two years ago but he always added "skilled labor" to it as well. They never asked to have as many refugees applying for jobs.
There is a structural problem in Germany which predates the whole refugee crisis by a few years and they do actually lack thousands of trainees. More pensioners than trainees every year had them looking for people around Europe but it was met with mixed results and the refugee crisis seemed to offer a nice opportunity until Mrs. Nahles told everyone that the harvest rate is just below 10% (and probably not even half of that). Moving on not just the industry is wringing hands, the medical care sector is really a few years away from collapse due to personnel shortage because they lack trainees more acutely as well. There are programs where they hire people from Thailand and other Asian countries but it's not a solution. So, it's kind of all based on desperation but most people are realistic: The refugees are not here to work, most of them would rather go back and those who don't qualify for asylum will linger around until deported. Those who want to work will have to undergo training and even the most companies prefer people who have settled.

By the way that article just jumped on the bandwagon at a time where suddenly every outlet saw itself qualified to criticize themselves and their fellow journalists for not being entirely honest. I guess the few terrorist attacks helped them to come to terms easier. Meanwhile however, and I have seen quite a few documentaries and reports for now on TV, there's also been more open approaches to the subject. The key is to read between the lines and not just stuck to one medium, to think for yourself and to remember: the opposite of a lie is not truth, it can be a much more deceiving lie. At times like these people like to be deceived especially if it reassures their own beliefs. The reason why many outlets prefer a much more tight-lipped approach is because the line between populism and critical journalism can sometimes be blurry. Just look at the Focus. They tried that, they ended up feeding populists more than they wanted.

Why would the weakest member lead the team.....


Hell why would the US need to be on any team, we are as powerful by ourselves as the EU or Russia/China and their allies.

Sorry, Russia for leadership or no deal...

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As for right-wing extremism in the East: It is very much more prevalent mentality here and far more established. I found it ironic when the Landtag faction of the AfD in Saxony Anhalt made a minor interpellation about leftwing vs. rightwing violence and subsequently shot themselves in the foot. Especially the regions in East Saxony have always been a bit more rightwing than the rest of the republic.

Yeah because people know you are just a nice person and do not wish to insult someone when you cry out "all people are the same!". Left propaganda is often overshadowed by the sheer lack of seriousness. Helping refugees even after they became criminals is a nice thing to do - but there is still someone who might hate you for it (the victim for example). Left propaganda and their idealism is a lot more complex and even scary because it's not touchable as the statistics show. It's a quiet interesting topic and if you are student for social science/politics you should definitely discuss this with your professors.

[Ravenblade]

Yeah because people know you are just a nice person and do not wish to insult someone when you cry out "all people are the same!". Left propaganda is often overshadowed by the sheer lack of seriousness. Helping refugees even after they became criminals is a nice thing to do - but there is still someone who might hate you for it (the victim for example). Left propaganda and their idealism is a lot more complex and even scary because it's not touchable as the statistics show. It's a quiet interesting topic and if you are student for social science/politics you should definitely discuss this with your professors.

When I say established I mean that it never had been different before and it's not got to do with refugees or how a few leftwing activists treated them at all, it's just more fuel to the fire. The statistics show crimes which had been registered and reported. It's crimes like vandalism, smashing windows, sending death threats, beating up people openly in the street for being different. For that matter I am impartial here because having been on the receiving ends of both *-wing myself and think of them equally as dangerous to a functional society when they take their ideologies to the extreme.

[StayTuned]

A year ago everyone from the government coalition said that. Yes maybe not Merkel herself because she never says anything definitve. But i just read a lot of quotes from CEOs of german companies like the one from Zetsche from Daimler who said ""Die meisten Flüchtlinge sind jung, gut ausgebildet und hoch motiviert. Genau solche Leute suchen wir doch." Everybody said that.
I can remember well how the CSU was the only party that doubted that and there were called rasists and nazis because of that.

Also relevant (in german): http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleto...-14378135.html


It may have been n-tv.

yea ok fair enough. I can also remember hearing how they claim that many refugees have good qualifications. I always had my doubts about that. How can anyone claim that people from an extremely war torn country are "all" or even in majority up to our standards. But they claimed that as facts, not as feels though.

Some are, sure. But that's why I (and confusingly not a single politicam afaik) suggested that we send them all to school. Yes, that's expensive asf but the only way to prevent chaos in 5-10 years. That's how long it'll take until their children reach school age

[Daethz]

Could it be that middle east education is potentially unreliable and you don't know the competence of those workers?
Plus those people might not work well with the existing staff and lead to conflict, potentially violence and lead to a complete breakdown of the workplace?

The Liberal agenda of Helping Refugees over Common Sense and Safety is bothering the hell out of me.
And is the SINGULAR REASON im voting trump, its that serious.

[Deleted]

Worry not, when far right is here, Merkel will be summoned in the sub saharan africa camps to explain exactly what kind of strange skin color is that on her. Is that some sort of witchcraft!?