the Trio that defeated the communism

[Yvaelle]

As I already said anyone who is a communist is either really stupid or an evil sadist.

Right, and that's really all you are saying comes down to - that's like... your opinion man.

[BannedForViews]

That's sad? How about those who equate capatalism with freedom? How sad is that lot? Don't take Maddona lyrics as gospel... Even if you are a material girl...

Yea how sad it must be to be logically consistent. You totally got me there.

[Zoranon]

If anything your location gives us reasonable cause for your inability to look at this objectively.

No it means I know what I am talking about... I see firsthand the terrible scars communism has left in minds of many people, those who survived anyway.

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Right, and that's really all you are saying comes down to - that's like... your opinion man.

No more than 100 millions of dead make that reality, now matter how people like you wish it otherwise.

[gusty jack]

No it means I know what I am talking about... I see firsthand the terrible scars communism has left in minds of many people, those who survived anyway.

Well, you don't. You see firsthand the scars of Stalinism in your region, and Stalinism was its own thing.

I mean I'm sorry to tell you this, but nobody who knows anything about political theory thinks that Stalinism was actually applied communism, or that Stalin's practices were actually communist.

[Zoranon]

Well, you don't. You see firsthand the scars of Stalinism in your region, and Stalinism was its own thing.

No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it wont become the truth. Stalinism is one of the version of communism.

[gusty jack]

No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it wont become the truth. Stalinism is one of the version of communism.

Well, that's just like your opinion man.

Socialist/capitalist hybrids aren't all Nazi Germany. You can't label a corrupted form of something as truly representative of its uncorrupted form. Stalinism was a mishmash of his own making that took ideas from fascism, communism totalitarianism, authoritarianism, and centralisation.

[Tradewind]

No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it wont become the truth. Stalinism is one of the version of communism.

Marxist-Leninist/Stalinism was a failed bureaucratic worker's state in the pursuit of communism, not a form of communism. As Lenin was not convinced that the working class could achieve the level of social consciousness needed to be truly Marxist, nor quickly enough. The only form of communism is communism, everything outside of that (Marxist-Leninism/Stalinism/Maoists etc.) is a poor attempt at true Marxism. There have been no truly Marxist states, ever.

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Not all countries got it better when Soviet crashed, there are several former countries that are way worse today. Have a friend from Albania that always tells me how alot of people miss "the good ol'days" with worker and human rights. Probably tells you how it is to be worker there today in blue collar jobs.

[Vorkreist]

Communism = the fantasy of every brokeback western leftist teen of 2016. They all read the legends of universal income, wealth equality for every lazy stupid fuck.
The reality that its just an utopic bullshit that only leads to oppressive dictatorships and worst forms of corruption as proven in any country that ever attempted communism is non-important.

[Cthulhu 2020]

They are counting the people that starved under state communism.
..Wonder how high that number is under capitalism and people like pinochet.

Indeed. Let's count up how many people have died due to starvation from rampant capitalism. Oh but wait, nobody "counts" people dying because of capitalism because communism can kill people but under capitalism, capitalism doesn't kill people, it's their own fault for not pulling themselves up by their bootstraps!

[Independent voter]

Defeated communism.

[JohnBrown1917]

No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it wont become the truth. Stalinism is one of the version of communism.

Ye, i'm sure stalinism is exactly what Marx envisioned.

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Yeah, thanks.

[Felya]

Yes they were. They were appliying the demented Marxian dogma to real world.

How about some facts please... Like I asked, when did Stalin or Mao give the proletariat power? You can consider it demented all you like, but when did it happen?

Trorski was almost as bad as Stalin and Lenin was just as bad. Their actions during the civil war are proof enough.

Can you be a little more specific? Killing off Zhar's family?

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Communism = the fantasy of every brokeback western leftist teen of 2016. They all read the legends of universal income, wealth equality for every lazy stupid fuck.

Now replace the "lazy stupid fuck" with all people, as that will not only make it more accurate, but also make it a bit less projecting. FYI, the Russian revolution was in 1917, not 2016... Spanish civil war was 1936...

The reality that its just an utopic bullshit that only leads to oppressive dictatorships and worst forms of corruption as proven in any country that ever attempted communism is non-important.

Nope, it has succeeded in more ways than your ilk seems to be capable of understanding. Everything from child labor laws to your working conditions are the result of Marxism. Communism is to democracy, what capitalism is to Plutacracy.

[Celista]

Communism = the fantasy of every brokeback western leftist teen of 2016. They all read the legends of universal income, wealth equality for every lazy stupid fuck.
The reality that its just an utopic bullshit that only leads to oppressive dictatorships and worst forms of corruption as proven in any country that ever attempted communism is non-important.

I fail to see how it is more utopian than trying to sell people on the American Dream. Good wages and a home was reachable for everyone at one point in this country, that was long ago however. Now graduates are saddled with debt and a college degree guarantees nothing, wages are stagnant while housing costs have gone through the roof.