Outlaw in PvE

[Sephiroso]

1) Who said anything about sims? Real parties, real mythics.
2) Did i said something about defence?
3) Not really offended by a kid that can't read.

You said something about sims by mentioning arms doing 40k more dps than Outlaw rogues, you're not seeing that in game, don't even act like you are.

You didn't, which is why I did, because you think dps is the only thing that matters when it comes to bringing a class to a raid apparently.

You're still retarded.

[Lemondish]

Wasn't there some spec doing better DPS always? Did everyone reroll to that class? Do we have doomsayers every expansion? (and for every spec too)?

Just spent the last week running lower level dungeons to level up an alt. The answer is yes, everyone rerolled to the fotm. Nearly every other run I did was a resto druid (because they're pretty hot on the heals side) and three outlaw rogues. From what I've seen, folks are absolutely rerolling to classes they feel are strong right now. They always have.

It just gets super nuts around the time that a new expansion comes out, though.

[hellothere321]

Just spent the last week running lower level dungeons to level up an alt. The answer is yes, everyone rerolled to the fotm. Nearly every other run I did was a resto druid (because they're pretty hot on the heals side) and three outlaw rogues. From what I've seen, folks are absolutely rerolling to classes they feel are strong right now. They always have.

It just gets super nuts around the time that a new expansion comes out, though.

Shouldn't they be rerolling to Arms warrior because they are the ones doing the most damage?

[shaunika123]

You said something about sims by mentioning arms doing 40k more dps than Outlaw rogues, you're not seeing that in game, don't even act like you are.

You didn't, which is why I did, because you think dps is the only thing that matters when it comes to bringing a class to a raid apparently.

You're still retarded.

you dont see that because there are no 5 minute pure single target fights
:P
which is what that sim says, nothing more nothing less

[DeadDream]

You said something about sims by mentioning arms doing 40k more dps than Outlaw rogues, you're not seeing that in game, don't even act like you are.

You didn't, which is why I did, because you think dps is the only thing that matters when it comes to bringing a class to a raid apparently.

You're still retarded.

Nothing about sims. Just raw data from our 5man parties. I'm seeing that in game, and i don't care about hypothetic numbers that are produced by simcraft.
And yes, the dps is the only thing that matters when you bring dps class in raid, since raid buffs are deprecated.

Still not offended by a kid that can't read =D

[ymirsson]

Nothing about sims. Just raw data from our 5man parties. I'm seeing that in game, and i don't care about hypothetic numbers that are produced by simcraft.
And yes, the dps is the only thing that matters when you bring dps class in raid, since raid buffs are deprecated.

Still not offended by a kid that can't read =D

Guess what? You're raw datas from your 5mans are not authoritative. Why should ANYONE care about those numbers?

[Raldazzar]

I have to say as a long time rogue player and a fan of it, I'm finding outlaw.. lacking. It hits hard, but I really am just not.. feeling it. I don't feel like a rogue anymore.

I also debated the value of perhaps speccing into SnD. just for some consistency as I find my luck with rtb to be awful. like 10 single buffs in a row awful frequently.

[Sharpe]

I have to say as a long time rogue player and a fan of it, I'm finding outlaw.. lacking. It hits hard, but I really am just not.. feeling it. I don't feel like a rogue anymore.

I also debated the value of perhaps speccing into SnD. just for some consistency as I find my luck with rtb to be awful. like 10 single buffs in a row awful frequently.

That happens alot to me also, i love the spec, always was a fan of combat, but the Rng can be frustating.

[Mascotte]

I also debated the value of perhaps speccing into SnD. just for some consistency as I find my luck with rtb to be awful. like 10 single buffs in a row awful frequently.

I tried 2 5minute windows, one with SnD and one with RtB.

First downside of using SnD is you'll also lose MfD since thats in the same tier.
So that's losing another button (and you'll end up with an even more boring version of Combat then WoD).
5 minute window with crap gear got me a steady 175k dps on the garrison dummy.

Then i switched to RtB (taking back MfD) and did another 5minutes.
Now to counter the 'supersaiyan godroll dps influence' i fished till i just had 1 buff every time, disregarding what the actual buff was to make it somewhat easier to compare (Shark is always good, TB does nothing if you are saving cooldowns for a burstphase, JR being meh etc).
Ended up with 225k dps after the session.

I would have liked the results to be closer but RtB is just so far ahead its not even a contest.
And thats without any 6 shooters that basically make you god for the duration.

[Raldazzar]

I tried 2 5minute windows, one with SnD and one with RtB.

First downside of using SnD is you'll also lose MfD since thats in the same tier.
So that's losing another button (and you'll end up with an even more boring version of Combat then WoD).
5 minute window with crap gear got me a steady 175k dps on the garrison dummy.

Then i switched to RtB (taking back MfD) and did another 5minutes.
Now to counter the 'supersaiyan godroll dps influence' i fished till i just had 1 buff every time, disregarding what the actual buff was to make it somewhat easier to compare (Shark is always good, TB does nothing if you are saving cooldowns for a burstphase, JR being meh etc).
Ended up with 225k dps after the session.

I would have liked the results to be closer but RtB is just so far ahead its not even a contest.
And thats without any 6 shooters that basically make you god for the duration.

nice to know! interesting especially with just a 1 fish with no regard to what it is.

[hellothere321]

You said something about sims by mentioning arms doing 40k more dps than Outlaw rogues, you're not seeing that in game, don't even act like you are.

You didn't, which is why I did, because you think dps is the only thing that matters when it comes to bringing a class to a raid apparently.

You're still retarded.

Why do you say that you won't be seeing arms warrior doing 40k more dps that outlaw rogues in game? So far all I've heard about arms warriors is that their single target is so ridiculous, they will always top DPS on single target boss fights.

[Dristereau]

I've always enjoyed playing Combat Rogue since I started playing my Rogue in MoP. I've enjoyed how it's finishing moves reduce the cooldown on cooldowns, it's incredible AoE potential with Blade Flurry and also for me just general fun. Whilst I think Combat has lost a lot of what made it great, especially things like Deep Insight, it is still an okay spec that's now more flashy and way more RNG. Still enjoyable, but ultimately the RNG on Roll the Bones is frustrating more than anything else especially with bad luck. I will be levelling mine no doubt, but I don't have the same love for it as I did in WoD or MoP.

And yes, I will keep calling it Combat.

[Blayke]

While I totally agree that there are not enough words in the language to describe how much fun grappling hook is, I'm still wondering about how useful it is in an actual raid, as compared to the constant 15% speed increase. While gh does amazing things, I can't think of a single time that it would have been a difference maker in the raid. Yes, it's great to jump on stuff, but how often do we jump on stuff in a raid? Yes, moving out of fire is of paramount important, but we always managed to do that with out gh, whereas, given the fact that we spend a LOT of time running around in raids (where have you gone, Patchwerk, rogue nation turns its lonely eyes to you), being able to run away 15% faster seems like.....a good thing.

Not make a definitive proclamation here, just tossing it out there.

[Sephiroso]

While I totally agree that there are not enough words in the language to describe how much fun grappling hook is, I'm still wondering about how useful it is in an actual raid, as compared to the constant 15% speed increase. While gh does amazing things, I can't think of a single time that it would have been a difference maker in the raid. Yes, it's great to jump on stuff, but how often do we jump on stuff in a raid? Yes, moving out of fire is of paramount important, but we always managed to do that with out gh, whereas, given the fact that we spend a LOT of time running around in raids (where have you gone, Patchwerk, rogue nation turns its lonely eyes to you), being able to run away 15% faster seems like.....a good thing.

Not make a definitive proclamation here, just tossing it out there.

Boss is doing a one shot kill nova ability. 15% movement speed need to start moving out like everyone else, maybe a tiny bit later cause they run faster. Grappling hook don't have to till the last second cause we can grapple hook outside the nova's range so we get to dps even longer.

That's just 1 scenario grappling hook > 15% movement speed.

[Twinkelle]

Boss is doing a one shot kill nova ability. 15% movement speed need to start moving out like everyone else, maybe a tiny bit later cause they run faster. Grappling hook don't have to till the last second cause we can grapple hook outside the nova's range so we get to dps even longer.

That's just 1 scenario grappling hook > 15% movement speed.

It's a lovely ability. Unfortauntely, an argument could be made for the 15% speed if you're wearing the legendary boots. As long as you're not relying on the hook to avoid some serious time away from a boss, I imagine they'd pull ahead. Bit of a niche situation, mind you.

[Sephiroso]

It's a lovely ability. Unfortauntely, an argument could be made for the 15% speed if you're wearing the legendary boots. As long as you're not relying on the hook to avoid some serious time away from a boss, I imagine they'd pull ahead. Bit of a niche situation, mind you.

Obviously a legendary might change the way you play, but how many people have that legendary? Less than 1% of rogues that's how many.

[Twinkelle]

Obviously a legendary might change the way you play, but how many people have that legendary? Less than 1% of rogues that's how many.

Aye, hence the bit at the end of what I said.

[Raggon]

If anyone here played feral at 110 as well as a rogue, can you tell me how fun they are compared to one another? Having a real hard time deciding and I don't think I can bear levelling both :/

[neozz1]

If anyone here played feral at 110 as well as a rogue, can you tell me how fun they are compared to one another? Having a real hard time deciding and I don't think I can bear levelling both :/

I hate the new play style of Feral. If you ONLY want to DPS then go Rogue, if you want to be able to heal or tank if needed or down the road then go Feral.

FYI I believe Feral sims slightly higher ST DPS right now but lacks AoE and is also harder to master.

[Raggon]

I hate the new play style of Feral. If you ONLY want to DPS then go Rogue, if you want to be able to heal or tank if needed or down the road then go Feral.

FYI I believe Feral sims slightly higher ST DPS right now but lacks AoE and is also harder to master.

Well with rogue I am mostly worried that the rotation is too simplistic (at least it looks to be for me on paper) and I will get bored quickly. So I am wondering if outlaw has enough room for improvement.