Why is no One Talking about Overpopulation?

[Varitok]

Because that would place the newest "progressive" trend, mass immigration from the 3rd world into the West, into a very questionable light.

Also we all know where the overpopulation problems really are and who really should be conrolling their own breeding a bit more, but talking about that would be racist.

Thats not a "progressive" trend. Its been happening for a century.

[nanook12]

Nobody ever said those weren't problems.

They just aren't related to overpopulation.

It's like saying 'why isn't anyone talking about the corn situation' in regards to the war going on in the middle east

It is a problem. For some reason I do not understand you just don't want to see or admit that overpopulation is a problem.

[Macaquerie]

Resource scarcity ? Half the western world is obese. You don't have obese people in a time of need.

Also, birth rates are in the shitter in many western countries. Which is a problem all it's own. So you have one hand telling people to fuck more and another hand telling people to fuck less. The real solution needs to be to tell affluent people to breed more and tell poor people to stop breeeding altogether. But , seeing as worldwide, poor people are brown people, it's not really a solution a politician can bring up without being lynched by the sjw mob.

That's because due to different expectations, poor people are paradoxically much better able to afford the costs of raising their children than rich people are. A poor Afghan mother just needs to worry about finding enough scraps to feed her kids and making sure they stay out of too much trouble until they're old enough to help out on the farm. On the other hand, a wealthy American mother has to make sure her kids are enrolled in the best day care, prep school, college, and beyond, not to mention sign them up for sports and after school activities, make sure they only eat the best organic grass fed gluten-free non-GMO whatever, not to mention buy them all the toys, clothes, gadgets, and other crap that they fuss over so they don't look like impoverished losers to their friends and classmates. Sure she's going to have a lot more resources at her disposal than her Afghan counterpart, but given all the demands of child rearing in developed societies, it's better just to invest fully in one or two kids rather than having a bunch and hoping that a few turn out well.

[Roggendorf]

Because if you realized how overpopulated your country really was, and how over-stressed its economic and social systems are, you might be less likely to go along with the mass immigration that the ruling class so desperately wants.

"Invade the World, Invite the World" - and stay fast asleep!

[Sky High]

It is a problem. For some reason I do not understand you just don't want to see or admit that overpopulation is a problem.

you have done dick to highlight how those issues connect to overpopulation beyond "this is what I think, and I expect you all to do my research for me and unless you nod your head emptily in agreement you're delusional". such nauseating arrogance.

[daenerys]

So what do you propose. Overpopulation isn't a problem in the US, Canada, or Most European countries, the people most likely to read this thread. In fact many European countries are in a population decline due to to many people only having one or no children. Should we tell the most populous countries, and those growing the fastest to stop having kids, how do you think they'll take it. I sure hope you wouldn't suggest genocide.

We're also constantly creating new and more efficient methods of growing crops, to give a greater yield per area of land used.

True overpopulation tends to sort itself out in the long run. Throughout history, population has grown proportional to our ability to grow and transport food, and we still have many ways to improve food growth and transportation.

[Endus]

Um none. Population reduction can be achieved through massive contraceptive and abortion programs to slowly reduce population size until manageable.

1> That'll take generations to see any kind of results, and
2> How are you going to justify forcibly sterilizing people? Since that's essentially what you're saying.

[LilSaihah]

Why not just work on more rooftop farming or underground habitation or more efficient food production or fuck idk. Find some way to make uninhabitable zones on Earth habitable- reverse desertification, for example.

I mean it doesn't really mean anything. If an American goes to the Chinese government or Indian government and says "oi stop making babies" they'll just go "piss off, you're just trying to kneecap our economies".

[Hooked]

Why not just work on more rooftop farming or underground habitation or more efficient food production or fuck idk. Find some way to make uninhabitable zones on Earth habitable- reverse desertification, for example.

I mean it doesn't really mean anything. If an American goes to the Chinese government or Indian government and says "oi stop making babies" they'll just go "piss off, you're just trying to kneecap our economies".

That's what we have war for.

[Grimalkin of Old]

Because I want to watch the world burn.

[LilSaihah]

That's what we have war for.

You want your country to start a genocidal war against China/India?

[Hooked]

You want your country to start a genocidal war against China/India?

It doesn't matter what I want, its human nature to fight over dwindling resources.

[Osmeric]

If the world's farmland had the same yields as the highest yields achieved on US farms, the world could feed 150 billion people. Africa alone could feed 15 billion.

The theoretical upper limit for the carrying capacity of the Earth, set by the need to dissipate waste heat, is around 1 trillion people. This would involve effectively turning the Earth into a spaceship with controlled atmosphere and synthetic food, though.

The big population issue now is increasingly the impending Population Implosion in many countries.

[oxymoronic]

Bollocks. When people can work a full time job and still live in poverty, you cannot make that claim. When people live a life of luxury based on nothing more than who their parents are, you cannot make that claim. When entire nations live in largess whist others die in gutters, you cannot make that claim. When the entire system is corrupt and is designed to keep the rich on top and the poor on the bottom, you cannot make that claim.

what are you rambling on about? you dont like the world we live in? fine... dont like it, cry about it all you want. not changing for you.

[frogger237]

That's the most disturbing part about this. The only way to "fix" overpopulation is to literally kill people off. So who's getting murdered? Why isn't it you? If people were actually seriously concerned that there were too many of us, they'd contribute by offing themselves, but no, they want other people to be murdered, on their behalf, to protect their quality of life.

So who's getting sent to the gas chambers this time?

This is just silly. There are plenty of ways to reduce the number of people on the planet without killing them.

The fact of the matter is the only other species with our numbers tend to be pests/vermin. Yes there is more land that could be developed but do we really need another fucking denny's at the expense of eradicating another species?

But humans are greedy fucks (myself included) so I don't see us doing anything about it until its nearly too late. Or space aliens start harvesting us.

[Vanyali]

That's because due to different expectations, poor people are paradoxically much better able to afford the costs of raising their children than rich people are. A poor Afghan mother just needs to worry about finding enough scraps to feed her kids and making sure they stay out of too much trouble until they're old enough to help out on the farm. On the other hand, a wealthy American mother has to make sure her kids are enrolled in the best day care, prep school, college, and beyond, not to mention sign them up for sports and after school activities, make sure they only eat the best organic grass fed gluten-free non-GMO whatever, not to mention buy them all the toys, clothes, gadgets, and other crap that they fuss over so they don't look like impoverished losers to their friends and classmates. Sure she's going to have a lot more resources at her disposal than her Afghan counterpart, but given all the demands of child rearing in developed societies, it's better just to invest fully in one or two kids rather than having a bunch and hoping that a few turn out well.

That actually has fuck-all to do with why more rural and impoverished people have more children.

The actual reality is that said populations have more children because their kids are far more likely to die in childhood, which means you have a lot of kids in hopes that a few survive. This isn't a problem in 1st world countries, so there's no reason to have as many children. This is a trend that's fairly well understood and documented, and the idea that it's attributed to "richer" people being too poor to take care of multiple children is asinine.

[chazus]

It is a problem. For some reason I do not understand you just don't want to see or admit that overpopulation is a problem.

Largely because your question was "Overpopulation is causing X, Y, and Z, why aren't people talking about it" when overpopulation isn't causing those things.

Are those things a problem? Yes.
WILL overpopulation be an issue at some time in the future? Yes.

Is overpopulation a problem now? No
Is overpopulation causing those other issues? No.

[Deleted]

Falling wages due to over supplies of labor, lack of jobs, food shortages, rising inflation costs, animal die offs, massive environmental degradation, infrastructure failure, high crime rates, etc. How can people not see that overpopulation is a problem?

Because if we did then we would've had to impose Eugenics. Nobody likes the idea of fucking/locking his junk to follow some heartless quota.

[Raelbo]

How is it a problem? Agricultural production has grown exponentially?

Because it's not sustainable.

Not to mention with all the "progressives" out there who want to be single and live life till they're 40, we don't have that much to worry about the earth's population getting too high.

If the earth's population continues to grow at present rates, it will get too high. It's simply a question of when.

[Keosen]

It is a problem. For some reason I do not understand you just don't want to see or admit that overpopulation is a problem.

overpopulation is not a problem because there is no overpopulation in first place.
"Overpopulation is a function of the number of individuals compared to the relevant resources" at the moment we have more space and more resources than we can spend, the problem is the delivery process because money is more important to most.