Why is no One Talking about Overpopulation?

[Macaquerie]

Because it's not sustainable.



If the earth's population continues to grow at present rates, it will get too high. It's simply a question of when.

But no one actually thinks the population will continue to grow at a constant rate forever, all of the projections are that in the countries with the fastest growing populations, that growth will slow and level off over the next few decades, just as it has in most of the developed world.

[kail]

Most amazing thing ever. We are bombarded with studies about mass joblessness, wages depression, food shortages , along with all the other things I said in the OP, and all you have to say is "nope overpopulation is not a problem." I think logic and evidence kinda stand against you on this one buddy.

Because overpopulation is not the cause for either of those issues. Destruction of natural environment would be the biggest and most direct result from our growing population.

Don't believe all the post-apocalyptic movies, it's just hollywood.

[Hooked]

overpopulation is not a problem because there is no overpopulation in first place.
"Overpopulation is a function of the number of individuals compared to the relevant resources" at the moment we have more space and more resources than we can spend, the problem is the delivery process because money is more important to most.

Overpopulation is a problem when most countries don't have sewage systems and they also throw all their garbage into the water. Look at Haiti right now, this situation should have been resolved. People are screaming about climate change when they overlook hotspots of actual visual pollution.

Solve the real problems first before trying to solve the ones you make up.

[Flarelaine]

Animal die offs? You're going to have to be more specific, but this largely isn't due to "overpopulation".

You may want to look up "habitat destruction".

[Bytch]

Maybe because most people know it's a myth. You can put each human in a 2k sq ft home in Alaska and still have land left over.

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Almost none of those problems are a result of overpopulation. It's not being talked about because it's not technically a problem.

That isn't to say our birthrate currently isn't staggering, and in 100 years it WILL be a problem, but it's not a problem now.

Birth rates are actually below death rates in most countries. So, we're dying quicker than we can repopulate.

[Flarelaine]

Maybe because most people know it's a myth. You can put each human in a 2k sq ft home in Alaska and still have land left over.

It is true that carefully managing Earth's resources would sustainably allow an even larger population of humans. The problem is that careful management is not entirely typical of humans. Humans just take what they can and this means slash-and-burn agriculture as well as whatever is considered the cutting edge in cost-effectiveness in boardrooms.

[Bytch]

It is true that carefully managing Earth's resources would sustainably allow an even larger population of humans. The problem is that careful management is not entirely typical of humans. Humans just take what they can and this means slash-and-burn agriculture as well as whatever is considered the cutting edge in cost-effectiveness in boardrooms.

The problem with most countries is it's corrupt govt's and corporations.

[hrugner]

Falling wages due to over supplies of labor, lack of jobs, food shortages, rising inflation costs, animal die offs, massive environmental degradation, infrastructure failure, high crime rates, etc. How can people not see that overpopulation is a problem?

Mostly because the failures of our society would continue without the high population. Labor costs aren't dropping due to an oversupply of labor, but to a mechanical alternative and investment freedom allowing labor heavy businesses to be replaced at no cost to stake holders. Food isn't scarce, we destroy a surplus of food in order to keep costs up in order to ensure that food is worth shipping off the farm. Inflation isn't a concern, it's an expectation in any economy. Animal die offs, environmental degradation and infrastructure failure can be traced back to a very small portion of the population, and they aren't over harvesting because there are more people, but because there is opportunity to do so.

Oh, and crime is dropping despite population and population density both constantly rising. Nobody talks about over population because it was cleared as the root cause awhile ago.

[Flarelaine]

The problem with most countries is it's corrupt govt's and corporations.

That is a large part of the problem, but there is a painful lack of environmental awareness. We may talk about land, but land is not the real problem. Water is. And the harder we push agricultural production to feed an evergrowing population the worse we pollute our global water supply. There are already predictions that there will be wars over water before midcentury.

[Keosen]

Overpopulation is a problem when most countries don't have sewage systems and they also throw all their garbage into the water. Look at Haiti right now, this situation should have been resolved. People are screaming about climate change when they overlook hotspots of actual visual pollution.

Solve the real problems first before trying to solve the ones you make up.

The term you are looking for is overcrowding not overpopulatin

[Guyv3r]

Because people are sensitive to the subject and deny it's existence as a problem.

There are too many people even in the West. Compared to 20 years ago, queues everywhere... every-fucking-where!

[Dezerte]

It's really not that big of a problem, that's why I think.

[zenkai]

Falling wages due to over supplies of labor, lack of jobs, food shortages, rising inflation costs, animal die offs, massive environmental degradation, infrastructure failure, high crime rates, etc. How can people not see that overpopulation is a problem?

It's so bad China eliminated the 1 child per household rule.

[jellmoo]

Overpopulation is a problem when most countries don't have sewage systems and they also throw all their garbage into the water. Look at Haiti right now, this situation should have been resolved. People are screaming about climate change when they overlook hotspots of actual visual pollution.

Solve the real problems first before trying to solve the ones you make up.

That's a distribution of wealth problem, not one of over population.

[Osmeric]

But no one actually thinks the population will continue to grow at a constant rate forever, all of the projections are that in the countries with the fastest growing populations, that growth will slow and level off over the next few decades, just as it has in most of the developed world.

Right. Population growth has slowed in the less developed world too.

It's ridiculous for people to talk about inexorable exponential population growth when the data doesn't show that happening. If anything, extrapolation of the current trends would lead one to think populations are going to go into sustained decline.

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It's so bad China eliminated the 1 child per household rule.

They waited too long and are now seeing or close to seeing their working age population peaking before going into decline.

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There are too many people even in the West. Compared to 20 years ago, queues everywhere... every-fucking-where!

Queues exist because it is economically optimal to have them. Lack of queues indicates too many servers, and they end up being underutilized. This is true regardless of total demand.

Personal comments like that remind me of Ehrlich's infamous description of his visit to New Delhi, a description that says more about Ehrlich than it did about overpopulation.

[hellinter201]

You mean the problem about human race in its way to extinction due to lack of population growth?

[ParanoiD84]

Quite a big difference from a few thousand years ago where in one of the the biggest city`s in the world Rome only had between 50k to a few hundred k living there compared to millions living in a city today, would much rather have the old numbers back.

[GennGreymane]

Quite a big difference from a few thousand years ago where in one of the the biggest city`s in the world Rome only had a few hundred k living there compared to millions living in a city today, would much rather have the old numbers back.

How old are you? You seem nostalgic for a city you never lived in.....

[ParanoiD84]

How old are you? You seem nostalgic for a city you never lived in.....

Was a example I can name 50 other if that's better for you. And yes I always say I was born way to late, would have loved to live back then.

[GennGreymane]

Was a example I can name 50 other if that's better for you. And yes I always say I was born way to late, would have loved to live back then.

Would social strata we talking here?