Most powerful spec in the game?

[Selastan]

I wouldn't say they can completely *control* time...maybe different levels of manipulation...but control...I don't know...

Same could be said about Arcane, just because they can slow or stop time for a bit doesn't mean they're more powerful...it has its limits. It would seem stopping time is only effective for escape...as I don't recall ever attacking something that is stuck in a time spell. What good is freezing someone in time if you can't use that on offense?

Well, Nozdormu was granted complete control over time by the titans, and according to Aluneth the ancient highborne had the potential to equal the titans in power...I don't think there is a limit to the potential to control time.

[Talvindius]

Except a problem with that, when one of the Light's greatest champions, when he needed a miracle...needed prayer...he fell...the light wasn't able to protect him.

Tirion's death was a plot device to pass the power of the Ashbringer to the player. Let's try and not gloss over that time when he shattered Frostmourne, defeating the strongest mortal being on Azeroth at the time.

The end of the Legion has already been prophesized by Velen where King Anduin will champion the Army of the Light and lead Azeroth against Sargeras. Anduin has the most untapped potential of any WoW character and is a Priest of all classes.

Also good to mention that Illidan, who is the Naaru's "Chosen one" is a being of both Shadow and Light.

The Light is the most consistently powerful font of power in the WoW Universe. Magic and fel are both subjective to the user and require great innate power to wield, whereas the Light requires faith, which is immeasurable and not quantifiable, you can have total faith in the Light and if that suffices you would become unstoppable.

The topic of the thread is most powerful class, and judging by what resources classes have the most powerful would be Paladins and non-shadow Priests due to the Light being more powerful than any magic or skill.

[Selastan]

Tirion's death was a plot device to pass the power of the Ashbringer to the player. Let's try and not gloss over that time when he shattered Frostmourne, defeating the strongest mortal being on Azeroth at the time.

The end of the Legion has already been prophesized by Velen where King Anduin will champion the Army of the Light and lead Azeroth against Sargeras. Anduin has the most untapped potential of any WoW character and is a Priest of all classes.

Also good to mention that Illidan, who is the Naaru's "Chosen one" is a being of both Shadow and Light.

The Light is the most consistently powerful font of power in the WoW Universe. Magic and fel are both subjective to the user and require great innate power to wield, whereas the Light requires faith, which is immeasurable and not quantifiable, you can have total faith in the Light and if that suffices you would become unstoppable.

The topic of the thread is most powerful class, and judging by what resources classes have the most powerful would be Paladins and non-shadow Priests due to the Light being more powerful than any magic or skill.

If Tirion's death can be written off as a plot devise then so can all these so called 'miracles'. If all it takes is faith, then how can you explain what happened to the Scarlet Crusade? What of the Draenei, who are most likely the most devout? They suffer centuries of terror fleeing from Kil'Jaedin. Even the Naaru, the physical representation of the Light, use arcane to power their dimensional ships.

[Trassk]

Funny how dh players say dh's

its cause they is elves.

[Mehrunes]

Actually, yes. The fact that warlocks need to use such complex rituals to do basic things just shows how hard it is to get fel to do basic things like summoning.

You're moving goalposts. You said Warlocks do things with minimal effort. That is false. And at least Warlocks do summon. Mages can't. They only open portals from place A to B. A Warlock portal summons people to place A from infinite amount of places.

[Talvindius]

If Tirion's death can be written off as a plot devise then so can all these so called 'miracles'. If all it takes is faith, then how can you explain what happened to the Scarlet Crusade? What of the Draenei, who are most likely the most devout? They suffer centuries of terror fleeing from Kil'Jaedin. Even the Naaru, the physical representation of the Light, use arcane to power their dimensional ships.

The Naaru are beings of Light, not the total embodiment of it. The Light itself seems very much like The Force from Star Wars, which has a will of its own. It may be that the Light is only capable of empowering Paladins/Priests to perform unexplainable acts when it is called on directly, which would explain why it doesn't just Mary Sue everything for the Dranei/Naaru and make the Legion die.

Wielding the Light is something that can be done by those with malevolent intent, but at the cost of the Light forsaking them. This is why the Scarlet Crusade always appears weak despite wielding the Light. The "miracles" perfomed by the Light have all been very righteous in nature, which would make sense of why the Crusade died out. You can have all the Faith you want but if you're trying to use the Light for evil you will fail.

Tirion's death was a plot device mainly because it was a way to free Ashbringer and the title Highlord. Let's say we had arrived quickly enough to save Tirion completely, what then. He would have to resign and relinquish the title and blade manually, which is dumb since he would have been in fighting shape still. It wouldn't make sense for him to survive AND give up Ashbringer.

Faith is the key component in acquiring the full potential power of the Light, but there's a bit more to it than that.

[bloodmoth13]

definitely a magic spec as they tend to use power from other sources than their own and potentially can be infinite

[Selastan]

You're moving goalposts. You said Warlocks do things with minimal effort. That is false. And at least Warlocks do summon. Mages can't. They only open portals from place A to B. A Warlock portal summons people to place A from infinite amount of places.

They use destructive abilities with minimal effort. If they want to do anything complex or massive they need help. As for portals, you can easily see how big of a project the Dark Portal was, yet permanent arcane portals are littered everywhere. Hell, the Caverns of Time not only have portals to other places, but other times.

[baskev]

pfff hard one.

Think we need to pokemon this: Not looking at hero's etc. just as random hero, meets random other hero. And could go into specs. but it would not make a difference at all.

Dk < gets countered by > paladin, priest ( holy trumps the death)
Priest < gets countered by > everyone else. yes the are strong in magic but personal defense not that much.
Paladin < gets countered by > Rogue, hunters, monks ( poisons and knowing weak spots brakes down their holy defenses)
Rogue's < gets countered by > Everyone once they are seen or hit once. quick and nimble but lightly armored.
Hunters < gets countered by > dk's. They can sent undead minion to take on pet. and death grip hunter towards the dk. and melee hunter vs dk....dk wins
monks < gets countered by > they are one of the strongest classes. But i think shamans with fire, etc can kill them.
Shamans < gets countered by > a very strong class. But its strenght is also it weakness. Nature is with it. But againts magic it does not stand a chance. So lock,
mage kick its ass.
Lock < gets countered by > Dk, priest, paladin. dk same reason as hunters. And holy beats demons everytime.
Mage < gets countered by > very strong. But a rogue could easily kill it.
Warrior < gets countered by > Very strong indeed. But just like paladins hunters, rogue's, monks can counter it.
DH < gets countered by > again, holy wins from demons. So priest, paladins.
Druid < gets countered by > Everyone and no one. All depends on druid. They have a rogue form, a paladin form, a priest form and a mage/shaman elemental form. Thats its strength. If not. see table above for counters.

top 3 ( and why):
1. Druid . If all druids can use all forms then they will wipe the floor with everyone because they can adept to their adversary. the have:
* melee damage with bleeds
* tank form to take allot of damage and crush people
* healing form with very strong healing
* use nature spells to defend itself or attack
* uses arcane spells to defend itself or attack.
2. Warrior/monk: its spell reflect and jumping towards its prey wins it the battle vs mage. but again like druid a very versatile class.
3. mage: its 3 classes of magic make it very very strong. But its frail human form takes a hit.


so druid is the most powerful. But all depends. where are they fighting, who attacks first, etc etc etc. But hey mabye in the wild flurry of your swords you miss the marble on the floor and trip over it...Then the marble is the most powerfull spec/class ingame

[Xkiller9000]

Off the top of my head, for STRAIGHT ST
Fire mage, Demo lock, feral druid, arms warrior, outlaw rogue
those are the best

[Mehrunes]

Lock < gets countered by > Dk, priest, paladin. dk same reason as hunters. And holy beats demons everytime.

If Holy beat Demons every time Tirion wouldn't be rotting beneath Light's Hope right now. And Warlocks don't share the melee disadvantages of Hunters. Caster tank is their class fantasy. They drain life from everything and use sacrificial magic to gain protection. And in-lore at least one Warlock could turn himself into a form that's pretty much considered a tank even in-lore (otherwise it's more of a gameplay term).

2. Warrior/monk: its spell reflect and jumping towards its prey wins it the battle vs mage. but again like druid a very versatile class.

If all Warriors could spell reflect lore-wise it would be Gul'dan that's enchanting dust now, not Varian. And most likely the most powerful monk is Moron Zhu. He gets beaten by something every time we see him.

[Kithelle]

Well, Nozdormu was granted complete control over time by the titans, and according to Aluneth the ancient highborne had the potential to equal the titans in power...I don't think there is a limit to the potential to control time.

Well the player character isn't the aspect of time nor a member of perhaps one of the most powerful if not thee most powerful Azerothian magic practicing races around.

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Tirion's death was a plot device to pass the power of the Ashbringer to the player. Let's try and not gloss over that time when he shattered Frostmourne, defeating the strongest mortal being on Azeroth at the time.

The end of the Legion has already been prophesized by Velen where King Anduin will champion the Army of the Light and lead Azeroth against Sargeras. Anduin has the most untapped potential of any WoW character and is a Priest of all classes.

Also good to mention that Illidan, who is the Naaru's "Chosen one" is a being of both Shadow and Light.

The Light is the most consistently powerful font of power in the WoW Universe. Magic and fel are both subjective to the user and require great innate power to wield, whereas the Light requires faith, which is immeasurable and not quantifiable, you can have total faith in the Light and if that suffices you would become unstoppable.

The topic of the thread is most powerful class, and judging by what resources classes have the most powerful would be Paladins and non-shadow Priests due to the Light being more powerful than any magic or skill.

Except the player characters did most of the work...Tirion just finished him off.

It was a plat device yes, but they could have come up with a way to pass on Ashbringer without killing him, they have done that with other legendary weapons, including Doomhammer.

Just because he may be part of it, championing it, doesn't mean he is the most powerful person in it, nor does it mean the light is the most powerful.

Sure he is of Shadow and Light, but his being...a Demon Hunter...is more Shadow, when was Illidan ever shown wielding the light?

I think you're completely over-valuing the light, I'm not saying it's weak, but going by your avatar, you're obviously a little biassed.

[Talvindius]

Except the player characters did most of the work...Tirion just finished him off.

It was a plat device yes, but they could have come up with a way to pass on Ashbringer without killing him, they have done that with other legendary weapons, including Doomhammer.

Just because he may be part of it, championing it, doesn't mean he is the most powerful person in it, nor does it mean the light is the most powerful.

Sure he is of Shadow and Light, but his being...a Demon Hunter...is more Shadow, when was Illidan ever shown wielding the light?

I think you're completely over-valuing the light, I'm not saying it's weak, but going by your avatar, you're obviously a little biassed.

You dont seem to remember the Lich King fight correctly, I'll remind you what happened.

We threw everything at him and at the end he decides to stop toying with us and kills the raid in 1 shot, revealing his plan to find Azeroth's greatest heroes to turn them into his personal undead army. We were never going to defeat the Lich King unless Tirion saved us by destroying Frostmourne, which only happened because the Light gave him the strength to. Makes the Light seem pretty fucking strong right?

Illidan will be just as much Light as shadow when he is back at his full power. In his death he was revealed to be the Naaru's chosen warrior and will wield their Light as they intended. It's in the book Illidan if you want to go read it. There's also all that lore where we relive Illidan's life through the power of Light's Heart.

The Light is the strongest POWER in WoW. It is the only power with the potential to upstage everything else and the only power that can defeat the Burning Legion. Magic has limits, even the powers of fonts like the Sunwell and Nightwell have limits, and Sargeras is the cap on fel magic and he's far surpassed anything a player can achieve, which means arguing something like "mages and warlocks are for sure the strongest playable classes" is wrong because the only classes without limits are paladins and priests, and perhaps shamans pending how much they can draw from the elemental planes directly.


If you think Divine Shield isn't the strongest single ability in the game you need to check yourself m8.

[willtron]

Off the top of my head, for STRAIGHT ST
Fire mage, Demo lock, feral druid, arms warrior, outlaw rogue
those are the best

Yeah, lore wise, Warriors, Rogues and Feral Druids aren't up there.

OT: Arcane Mages, Warlocks or Elemental Shamans.

[Selastan]

Yeah, lore wise, Warriors, Rogues and Feral Druids aren't up there.

OT: Arcane Mages, Warlocks or Elemental Shamans.

To be fair, Broxxigar was the only one to ever wound Sargeras...

[baskev]

If Holy beat Demons every time Tirion wouldn't be rotting beneath Light's Hope right now. And Warlocks don't share the melee disadvantages of Hunters. Caster tank is their class fantasy. They drain life from everything and use sacrificial magic to gain protection. And in-lore at least one Warlock could turn himself into a form that's pretty much considered a tank even in-lore (otherwise it's more of a gameplay term).




If all Warriors could spell reflect lore-wise it would be Gul'dan that's enchanting dust now, not Varian. And most likely the most powerful monk is Moron Zhu. He gets beaten by something every time we see him.

Welcome back.

To the tirion part; did you even read what i said at the start of the text. If normal heroes meet normal hero's. Look at anduin wrymm. He is one bad ass priest. I am not talking about hero's or super villians. Just talking about run of the mill persons. ( thats what i think the guy who started this post meant atleast. otherwise yeah locks win over all ).
The lock cast fantasy; Yes they can turn into a tank lore wise. But lore wise normal tanks can do crazy stuff to ( become bigger etc). Yes they will last longer. But still a cloth wearing person. so when a warrior gets a sword in..its done.

warrior spellreflect; yes you are right, and if all locks could do something else then etc etc. Again talking about run of the mill hero's. Otherwise this whole "strongest spec/class" discussion has no use. Because you need 2 look at individuals then ( and what makes them stronger) ( in that case gaurdian of tristfall mages would be strongest ). So to make even a little bit "sense" and make it even close to be compared. We need to take the run of the mill hero's.

Monks: so does thrall, so does gul'dan etc etc. Again, run of the mill hero's . otherwise it would not work.

[willtron]

To be fair, Broxxigar was the only one to ever wound Sargeras...

He just killed a few demons, stood on them, baited Sarg then went for him with an enchanted axe given to him by Cenarius. I'd argue the Axe was powerful, not Brox.

[omeomorfismo]

Only a foolish mage would meet such a fate. A true mage would have numerous detection spells warning him, as well as magically hardened skin and robes. And you better make sure that one attack was lethal, because a good mage would just undo the damage.

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Any examples?

so our poor mage live in a ley line pool or he is always mana starved or start to consume artifacts like an addict.
good!

[Aucald]

To be fair, Broxxigar was the only one to ever wound Sargeras...

Broxigar and now Toranaar, the former King of the Aldrachi.

[Xkiller9000]

Best classes lore wise i think would have to be Mages, Warlocks, DKs, DHs and Paladins