Legion: Elemental Specific

[Shadowjj]

Quote Originally Posted by Mixe
How are you guys doing in the open world? I am 820 ilvl and struggling with doing world quests smoothly, i feel super squishy and weak.

That's normal. I suggest you not trying any other class right now cause you will be even more disappointed. To play Ele in the recent state is tiresome (especially when you have a 1on1 comparison like I do).

I love Elemental but I have to agree with the above. I do (did) ok in 5-mans if it was single target but out in the world it was awful. I finally switched to Enhancement two nights ago and it's amazingly better. Still not the same as DH and any tank class but I survive much better and kill things much more quickly - it makes World Quests much more pleasant.

I will be Resto for our raids so I currently only have the 13 points to play with on my DPS Artifacts. Perhaps the remaining Artifact choices will make a big difference in the viability of Elemental but not based off what I've read so far. I hope something changes for those of you that want to play Elemental moving forward. Eventually I'd like the option of swapping to DPS at times and we have enough melee already - I'd rather play a caster.

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Is the artifact supposed to be visible while casting? Because mine sometimes is but so seldom it feels like a bug, but I like it so I hope they fix it to always show. Finally get to use my Greed/Pride fistweapon mog that I first got and loved on my enhance shammy back in WOTLK.

Also I don't get if just the weapon is supposed to shimmer light blue or your whole character when you use Stormkeeper because sometimes it's one or the other, and sometimes neither...

[Ruiru]

If you transmog the fist, it doesn't show in combat. This has been mentioned to the devs several times.

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Just started doing WQ at ilvl 800, didn't find it too painful. Then I saw an outlaw rogue roll by dropping mobs like you do in low level zones literally 4-5 times as fast as me. Don't know his ilvl but hope it gets faster for elemental too. :')

[Chronius]

Just started doing WQ at ilvl 800, didn't find it too painful. Then I saw an outlaw rogue roll by dropping mobs like you do in low level zones literally 4-5 times as fast as me. Don't know his ilvl but hope it gets faster for elemental too. :')

It doesn't. Yes a few good procs and you can blow the mob away instantly. But compared to enhance, elemental is just sluggish.
I was so bummed doing worldquest on my 845 ele sham that I was about to quit legion. I decided to give enhance a go and I haven't looked back since. Suddenly I'm able to pull packs of 4-5mobs without breaking a sweat and I'm soloing elites like nothing.

If I could add a few changes to elemental:
Permanent elemental. Tanking pet, earth elemental. DPS, fire/wind element. FFS we are level 110 now and have never been shittier at controlling the elements.
Lava surge not a proc, but something more controllable akin to how frost mages crit on frozen targets.
Flameshock default spreads to nearby mobs when struck by lavaburst.
OFC a tuning of damage.

[Nyel]

The only real issue while doing world q is the cast time of Lightning Bolt paired with it's abysmal damage. With ILVL ~ 810 world Q and Suramar was painful, with +830 it's definitely better. But there are still unnecessary downtimes and "lows" when Lava Surge doesn't proc and you need to cast the 40k LBs.

[Hivey]

I main as Enhance but often do WQ as Elemental because I love its spell effects. I'm not sure what ilevel I am, over 840 though and find not much difference between the two on single target questing.

Flame Shock > Lava > Elemental Blast > Lightning until dead. With Lava procs and Rehgar helping mobs die fast enough, especially when EB crits.

Elemental having Gust of Wind is also lovely to have when jumping from fatal heights.

[Omnious]

It doesn't. Yes a few good procs and you can blow the mob away instantly. But compared to enhance, elemental is just sluggish.
I was so bummed doing worldquest on my 845 ele sham that I was about to quit legion. I decided to give enhance a go and I haven't looked back since. Suddenly I'm able to pull packs of 4-5mobs without breaking a sweat and I'm soloing elites like nothing.

If I could add a few changes to elemental:
Permanent elemental. Tanking pet, earth elemental. DPS, fire/wind element. FFS we are level 110 now and have never been shittier at controlling the elements.
Lava surge not a proc, but something more controllable akin to how frost mages crit on frozen targets.
Flameshock default spreads to nearby mobs when struck by lavaburst.
OFC a tuning of damage.

Not sure why your having so many issues, currently i'm 846 ilvl and I have no problems at all with WQ speed or elites unless they are the 5 man ones with the red empowerment. But I'm pretty sure anyone claiming to solo those would be telling quite a tale unless they were a tank.

As far as multi mob pulling I don't even stop until I have 3 mobs and if SK is up i'll pull 5 to get the max CL spam.

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I dunno what to think on Ele. I like the feel and look of the class. But i feel like im doing alot of work for minimal dps.

I cant coment too much as im only 825. Still have void orb trinket and a 840 int haste.

i try and get mail with crit on.

[Menubrea]

I main as Enhance but often do WQ as Elemental because I love its spell effects. I'm not sure what ilevel I am, over 840 though and find not much difference between the two on single target questing.

Flame Shock > Lava > Elemental Blast > Lightning until dead. With Lava procs and Rehgar helping mobs die fast enough, especially when EB crits.

Elemental having Gust of Wind is also lovely to have when jumping from fatal heights.

If you're not finding a difference between questing as Elemental and Enhance, you must be doing something wrong with Enhance. Even at 843 with Rehgar in well optimized gear I kill mobs in the same time I did with Enhance 20 ilevels ago.

Unless of course you get a good streak of procs/crits.

It would be so much better if Flame Shock wouldn't cost Maelstrom, so you'd be able to Earth Shock a lot more frequently.

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Another thing i feel that would help ele sham is having one or 2 things off the GCD. Even setting up so start dps takes ages compared to other classes

[Ollz113]

If you're not finding a difference between questing as Elemental and Enhance, you must be doing something wrong with Enhance. Even at 843 with Rehgar in well optimized gear I kill mobs in the same time I did with Enhance 20 ilevels ago.

Unless of course you get a good streak of procs/crits.

It would be so much better if Flame Shock wouldn't cost Maelstrom, so you'd be able to Earth Shock a lot more frequently.

And if earth shock did actual damage...

[Hivey]

If you're not finding a difference between questing as Elemental and Enhance, you must be doing something wrong with Enhance. Even at 843 with Rehgar in well optimized gear I kill mobs in the same time I did with Enhance 20 ilevels ago.

Unless of course you get a good streak of procs/crits.

It would be so much better if Flame Shock wouldn't cost Maelstrom, so you'd be able to Earth Shock a lot more frequently.

Once you get to a certain gear level, it doesnt matter if Enhance is better in general, Elemental can nuke a mob down before you can feel its lower sustained damage.

[Nyel]

Once you get to a certain gear level, it doesnt matter if Enhance is better in general, Elemental can nuke a mob down before you can feel its lower sustained damage.

Mhm, only when you've got Lava Surge procs or you're using Stormkeeper. I agree, the better your gear gets, the better gets Elemental Shaman. But it has some blatant issues, even with excellent gear.

[gambit998]

Mhm, only when you've got Lava Surge procs or you're using Stormkeeper. I agree, the better your gear gets, the better gets Elemental Shaman. But it has some blatant issues, even with excellent gear.

Yup only that and if the RNG gods are on your side, i remeber i use to struggle with some of the daily mobs in MOP, got the 100 percent critical damage trinket i would pull everything in the area and then CL them dead. It was amazing. Dont get me wrong gear will help, but the fact that we are essensially trying to balance 3 stats to Be semi working is a problem. We Rely on our Mastery way too much to do damage and that is a simple design flaw. We are being forced into Crit to compensate and make use of a talent. Another bad design problem. Haste....all our spells castimes are the same it doesnt feel like 'ohhhhhh i can use this quickly becuase of the 0.5 less castime.' Haste also doesnt reduce our castimes too much tbh. (Been noticing that since WOD when they upped our castimes with CL and LvB))

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Looking for a BiS list from Emerald Dream.

Is this http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/element...s-best-in-slot a good pick?

[pkm]

Yup only that and if the RNG gods are on your side, i remeber i use to struggle with some of the daily mobs in MOP, got the 100 percent critical damage trinket i would pull everything in the area and then CL them dead. It was amazing. Dont get me wrong gear will help, but the fact that we are essensially trying to balance 3 stats to Be semi working is a problem. We Rely on our Mastery way too much to do damage and that is a simple design flaw. We are being forced into Crit to compensate and make use of a talent. Another bad design problem. Haste....all our spells castimes are the same it doesnt feel like 'ohhhhhh i can use this quickly becuase of the 0.5 less castime.' Haste also doesnt reduce our castimes too much tbh. (Been noticing that since WOD when they upped our castimes with CL and LvB))

Fucking yes dude

Elemental felt so much better when the cast times were fast. Made losing moving lightning bolt managable. But the increased cast times from wod made the spec feel so god damn slow and sluggish... I couldn't bare it.

[kulbaen]

Fucking yes dude

Elemental felt so much better when the cast times were fast. Made losing moving lightning bolt managable. But the increased cast times from wod made the spec feel so god damn slow and sluggish... I couldn't bare it.

That pretty much sums it up for me as well, the whole spec feels "so god damn slow and sluggish..." perhaps the slowest of all the specs I've played so far. It could be this cool, flashy, and dynamic spec, especially with what they've done with our spell animations and sounds (though Earth Shock is about as unfulfilling as it gets for a spell). Total missed opportunity, in my opinion.

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With all of the overloads going I feel I"m spewing magic on my opponents. There are downtimes sometimes but with better gear it feels better and better. I would say other specialisations feel slow compare to Ele. I did some researches before Legion and it was hands down the most flashy, fast gameplay.

Try Moonkin with 3 seconds Full Moon cast, you would feel slow as GMO chicken.

[Rezhka]

With all of the overloads going I feel I"m spewing magic on my opponents. There are downtimes sometimes but with better gear it feels better and better. I would say other specialisations feel slow compare to Ele. I did some researches before Legion and it was hands down the most flashy, fast gameplay.

Try Moonkin with 3 seconds Full Moon cast, you would feel slow as GMO chicken.

But you do realize that 3 seconds you cast on that falling moon is for an extra HUGE spike damage. Not to mention it's also regen your resource as much, so It's worth the cast. Beside it's not like Full Moon can be spammed. At the end of the day, it's the INSTANT Starsurge that matter at most anyway.