Why some Allliance characters obssesed with Revenge on Horde, but Horde ones not?

[Factoral]

"Hello, we invaded your world and tried to genocide you. After we lost, you were much more magnanimous toward us than we would have been toward you, so you imprisonned us instead of slaughtering. Then we escaped, went to kill your God. Then we had a good fight against the Legion, after which we started expanding in your territories and razing your forests. Then we tried again to kill everybody, then lost again and again you shown clemency and let us live free. Now sympathize with us, because despite always initiating aggression and always being treated very well in defeat, we want to play the victim card."

I have a hard time to swallow that

(notice I was myself magnanimous and didn't notice how uncorrupted Orcs still went to try to genocide the world a third time simply because Garrosh told them to)

You seem very biased towards the Alliance side of things.

You are portraying that the orcs just wanted to kill everyone and take the land. But you are failing to mention the motives. The orcs literally had no choice the first time because it was either "we kill these humans and save our race" or "we stay in our dieing world and slowly be killed".

With Garrosh, it was purely the work of a dictator. He literally killed the Tauren leader because he went against him. So can you actually blame people for not wanting to get on his bad side?

The orcs have been controlled and manipulated by someone a lot. Why is it unreasonable for them to want peace when they are currently not?

[TheFirstOnes]

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LEGION FOR LIFE! Ehehee

[Azlo]

You seem very biased towards the Alliance side of things.

You are portraying that the orcs just wanted to kill everyone and take the land. But you are failing to mention the motives. The orcs literally had no choice the first time because it was either "we kill these humans and save our race" or "we stay in our dieing world and slowly be killed".

With Garrosh, it was purely the work of a dictator. He literally killed the Tauren leader because he went against him. So can you actually blame people for not wanting to get on his bad side?

The orcs have been controlled and manipulated by someone a lot. Why is it unreasonable for them to want peace when they are currently not?

The Alliance doesn't get to see these motives. As omniscient third parties, we can see it all and understand the Horde. In the "real" WoW world, Jaina's (and somewhat Genn's) actions are completely justified.

What isn't justified from a story telling perspective, is Yrel just all of a sudden forgetting the fact that Grommash stood there while his people killed her sister, and standing next to him to take down Archimonde. That is garbage lovey-dovey stuff that makes no sense from a world story perspective. It might make sense to us, seeing as WE don't care about Yrel's sister and the Legion is the main threat, but it really wrecks immersion.

[Factoral]

The Alliance doesn't get to see these motives. As omniscient third parties, we can see it all and understand the Horde. In the "real" WoW world, Jaina's (and somewhat Genn's) actions are completely justified.

What isn't justified from a story telling perspective, is Yrel just all of a sudden forgetting the fact that Grommash stood there while his people killed her sister, and standing next to him to take down Archimonde. That is garbage lovey-dovey stuff that makes no sense from a world story perspective. It might make sense to us, seeing as WE don't care about Yrel's sister and the Legion is the main threat, but it really wrecks immersion.

Oh I'm not saying that their actions are unjustified from their point of view. But at this point, both factions should know exactly the reasons why certain things happened. We might not see them talk about it, but surely at these "peace" talks or whatever they discuss what happened etc.

As for Yrel standing beside Grommash, I don't think it is that unreasonable. Many people are able to put aside certain things to focus on the bigger goal.

Two people who totally hate each other, can work together fine to save the life of someone in danger. The focus isn't on their feud, it is on the person they are saving.

This aspect is shown in a lot of different movies.

[Spellweaver]

When doing quests, I see humans and Alliance invading and attacking Barrens and Durotar long before bombing of Theramore, but i dont see Orcs ,Taurens or Trolls asking for Revenge.

Then you clearly haven't actually done any quests in the Southern Barrens, since there's plenty of quests about seeking revenge.

Example: http://www.wowhead.com/quest=24637/t...her-of-taurajo

[Profyrion]

Orcs aren't even native to Azeroth. When they stepped through the Dark Portal it was all about conquest and war. So if you're looking for some clemency from the Alliance you won't find it, least of all in the Human racial leaders. Blame Gul'dan (the original) for betraying the Orcs to Sargeras.

That extends to the rest of the Horde by association. The other Horde races might be native but they cast their lot with the Orcs, so no matter what Varian may have thought of them they won't find peace and friendship with the Alliance no matter how hard they might try to cooperate against the Legion. They are free to defect, however.

[Traveler Voltin]

Hu... because it's the Horde which inflicted attacks on the Alliance that would bring the need for revenge ?
I mean, save for the Blood Elves, all Horde races are invaders attempting to carve their territories into native lands, remember ?

Trolls existed long before any alliance race(except draenei)
So don't even go there

[Rudkobing]

Different strokes for different folks.

[Florena]

You seem very biased towards the Alliance side of things.

You are portraying that the orcs just wanted to kill everyone and take the land. But you are failing to mention the motives. The orcs literally had no choice the first time because it was either "we kill these humans and save our race" or "we stay in our dieing world and slowly be killed".

With Garrosh, it was purely the work of a dictator. He literally killed the Tauren leader because he went against him. So can you actually blame people for not wanting to get on his bad side?

The orcs have been controlled and manipulated by someone a lot. Why is it unreasonable for them to want peace when they are currently not?

Cairne challenged GARROSH to the duel, and Garrosh didn't learn about the cheating poison until after. Yes Garrosh was the one who made it a duel to the death, but that was an attempt to bluff Cairne down but Cairne agreed. Garrosh had many sins but Cairbe's death is not one of them.

[Ton00]

well alot of wow players didnt play warcraft rts so they dont know past lore some do tho just high % dont theres you answer

[Yamuri]

Because the Alliance are racist assholes and the Horde just want to be left alone.

You, Sir on Rye, are hilarious.

[Akka]

You seem very biased towards the Alliance side of things.

You are portraying that the orcs just wanted to kill everyone and take the land. But you are failing to mention the motives. The orcs literally had no choice the first time because it was either "we kill these humans and save our race" or "we stay in our dieing world and slowly be killed".

With Garrosh, it was purely the work of a dictator. He literally killed the Tauren leader because he went against him. So can you actually blame people for not wanting to get on his bad side?

The orcs have been controlled and manipulated by someone a lot. Why is it unreasonable for them to want peace when they are currently not?

It's always very comical to see people bending over backward to find excuses for their preferred side, managing to burp out "you're biased !"

Trolls existed long before any alliance race(except draenei)
So don't even go there

15000 years ago, maybe. I'd say we might just consider claims from something about the past 50 to 100 years to not sink into more ridicule as we already have ? ^^

[Raetary]

Garithos worse than Garrosh?

pretty much.
garithos was a complete asshole and deserved to get a slow painful death, but in no way was he worse than bitchscream lol.

[Thimagryn]

Alliance betrayel of Blood Elves which resulted Blood Elves losing 90% of their population is much worse then Sylvanas retreat, but i dont see Horde or Blood Elves asking for payback or revenge.
-snip-
Why its so one sided?

Alliance needs to something clear and present to warrant revenge from the Horde. Blood Elf backstory happened well before World of Warcraft, and the 'hatred of the Alliance' isn't even felt in their story. They start out recovering from Arthas' attack on their homeland and dealing with Kael'thas.

On the flip side, you look at all the stuff the Horde has done to the Alliance within the WoW timeline and it's easy to see why Alliance fans would be upset. Wrathgate, Theramore, now Broken Shore. Sure the Horde also suffered losses, but each of these major incidences have been sourced from the Horde faction's own internal instability. It just makes em look like a bunch of incompetant fuckups who deserve to be taken out (even if in reality it's not their fault).

[Ridcully]

We went to Outland and eliminated all threats. Did orcs go back home? No.
We tricked dragons into creating cool new Draenor and eliminated all threats. Did orcs go back home? No.
Go away already, what is wrong with you?

[Traveler Voltin]

15000 years ago, maybe. I'd say we might just consider claims from something about the past 50 to 100 years to not sink into more ridicule as we already have ? ^^

no.
alliance has no right to bitch about claimed lands and rights to land when they took it from the trolls.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

no.
alliance has no right to bitch about claimed lands and rights to land when they took it from the trolls.

Lol what?!

[Traveler Voltin]

Lol what?!

i cant believe i have to actually explain it.
alliance fans believes that Lordaeron is alliance and the Forsaken's claim it is false because they took it by force.

totally forgetting the alliance used force to take troll lands.

so they have no right to complain about any land rights.

[Thimagryn]

That doesn't even make sense. Your twisted logic says no one has a right to complain because they're taking land away from something else. So the only ones who have the right to complain would be the Elementals and Old Gods?

[Deleted]

i cant believe i have to actually explain it.
alliance fans believes that Lordaeron is alliance and the Forsaken's claim it is false because they took it by force.

totally forgetting the alliance used force to take troll lands.

so they have no right to complain about any land rights.

and what about the high elves who literally invaded sacred amani lands and took them by force, murdering thousands of trolls and asking help from the humans?