Is muti likely to pull ahead of combat for cleave/st down the road?

[pies1]

Basically i hate everything about combat aside from the damage and grappling hook.

Is muti likely to catch up through scaling? I understand it's not too far behind for st and cleave already.

[elfporn]

Basically i hate everything about combat aside from the damage and grappling hook.

Is muti likely to catch up through scaling? I understand it's not too far behind for st and cleave already.

Nope. Not at all, ever.

It's already behind, and scales worse than the other two specs.

[lolpve]

It won't catch up through scaling but it will catch up through buffs, or outlaw nerfs. Sub will likely catch up and overtake outlaw in the next few months.

[neozz1]

Basically i hate everything about combat aside from the damage and grappling hook.

Is muti likely to catch up through scaling? I understand it's not too far behind for st and cleave already.

No, it falls further behind while Sub overtakes Sin but not Outlaw.

It won't catch up through scaling but it will catch up through buffs, or outlaw nerfs. Sub will likely catch up and overtake outlaw in the next few months.

There is no proof Sin will get buffed or Outlaw will get nerfed so don't read this is FACT. Sub will also not surpass Outlaw in the near future (including a few months) unless there are buffs/nerfs.

Basically just pretend that post doesn't exist.

[shaunika123]

since outlaw scales better i'd doubt it

there have to be straight up nerfs/buffs for the spec hierarchy to change for rogues

[FenrizZJ]

if you want to be another spec, Sub is the way to go. it won't pass Outlaw during this raid, but possibly next raid.

[Aluren]

I doubt it, lol.

[Syleion]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/10# Everyone is blowing smoke like they actually know.

[neozz1]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/10# Everyone is blowing smoke like they actually know.

This isn't accurate to which is top because of the number of parse, I explained in the other post.

If you want to know what spec is capable of being top you need to look at this instead.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/10#class=Rogue

[FenrizZJ]

This isn't accurate to which is top because of the number of parse, I explained in the other post.

If you want to know what spec is capable of being top you need to look at this instead.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/10#class=Rogue

my poor sub spec. getting absolutely crushed.

[Haust]

This isn't accurate to which is top because of the number of parse, I explained in the other post.

If you want to know what spec is capable of being top you need to look at this instead.

I don't know why people keep doing this. The only thing your link shows is the rogues who managed to get nothing but 2,3,6 RTB buffs for the whole boss. Seriously, go to all of those rogues, click on them, look at their buffs for the fight. This list is so godawfully inaccurate that it's laughable.

So, yeah, Outlaw rogues are definitely higher than assassination rogues. If you only get 3 or 6 RTB buffs the whole fight. On a more real scale, assassination IS performing slightly better, and way more consistently. Sorry.

[elfporn]

I don't know why people keep doing this. The only thing your link shows is the rogues who managed to get nothing but 2,3,6 RTB buffs for the whole boss. Seriously, go to all of those rogues, click on them, look at their buffs for the fight. This list is so godawfully inaccurate that it's laughable.

So, yeah, Outlaw rogues are definitely higher than assassination rogues. If you only get 3 or 6 RTB buffs the whole fight. On a more real scale, assassination IS performing slightly better, and way more consistently. Sorry.

You're incorrect about the rolls.

Rogues that are rerolling properly, obtaining the correct buffs when they use cooldowns, are always going to be ahead of assassination, whether they never have to reroll, reroll 10+ times, or get 2/3/6 buffs the entire time.

Assassination isn't performing better at all - ran through everything last night with 4 rogues, 3 outlaw, 1 assassination - the assassination rogue was at the bottom of the meters for every fight except ursoc, and he was still beat by the outlaw rogues and fire mages.

If every fight was a patchwerk tank-n-spank, then sure, assassination would be competitive, but not the best. Real world raids it's barely competing with other classes, let alone outlaw.

[Blayke]

Nope. Not at all, ever.

Well that was......final.

[braxx]

You're incorrect about the rolls.

Rogues that are rerolling properly, obtaining the correct buffs when they use cooldowns, are always going to be ahead of assassination, whether they never have to reroll, reroll 10+ times, or get 2/3/6 buffs the entire time.

Assassination isn't performing better at all - ran through everything last night with 4 rogues, 3 outlaw, 1 assassination - the assassination rogue was at the bottom of the meters for every fight except ursoc, and he was still beat by the outlaw rogues and fire mages.

If every fight was a patchwerk tank-n-spank, then sure, assassination would be competitive, but not the best. Real world raids it's barely competing with other classes, let alone outlaw.

And I have not been beaten by an Outlaw rogue ever on single and 2-3 targets fights. I say all the Outlaw in the ranking have been lucky with RtB, you can't deny it in fact, and I say none of them will be there next week.

[Sephiroso]

And I have not been beaten by an Outlaw rogue ever on single and 2-3 targets fights. I say all the Outlaw in the ranking have been lucky with RtB, you can't deny it in fact, and I say none of them will be there next week.

Talking in a dungeon or raids?

[Deleted]

I don know how acurate this is , or if its boss only or also thrash damage:

http://i.imgur.com/Cwny6uZ.png

Assa is WAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY better then outlaw if we could believe this.
All this sims believer here

[Minka]

I don know how acurate this is , or if its boss only or also thrash damage:

http://i.imgur.com/Cwny6uZ.png

Assa is WAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY better then outlaw if we could believe this.
All this sims believer here

Those are wrong already discussed in another thread.
There are so many more outlaw rogues and only a few Assa rogues.
If you look for rogue top 10 on every boss you see outlaw is dominating every boss

[lolpve]

No, it falls further behind while Sub overtakes Sin but not Outlaw.



There is no proof Sin will get buffed or Outlaw will get nerfed so don't read this is FACT. Sub will also not surpass Outlaw in the near future (including a few months) unless there are buffs/nerfs.

Basically just pretend that post doesn't exist.

Blizzard confirmed a balance patch shortly after raids opening. Things will change, we just don't know how. Don't post ignorant passive aggressive shit in every thread.

[neozz1]

Blizzard confirmed a balance patch shortly after raids opening. Things will change, we just don't know how. Don't post ignorant passive aggressive shit in every thread.

All I was saying is you talk to them making the specs closer like it is a fact, which it is not. We don't know if they already think they are close enough.

One thing we DO know is Blizzard said they will likely never nerf a top spec to be below the others in fear of outcries about AP being dumped into a certain weapon. Them stating that IS A FACT.

[elfporn]

And I have not been beaten by an Outlaw rogue ever on single and 2-3 targets fights. I say all the Outlaw in the ranking have been lucky with RtB, you can't deny it in fact, and I say none of them will be there next week.

And yet i've had the opposite experience. No Assassination rogue has ever beaten me, and i do raid with one(dungeon or raid). He may or may not be bad though.

When i get "lucky" with rtb, i'm reducing AR to a roughly 45sec cd, and mfd gets used about every 4 ish finishers. And even with a 6 proc(or two) i have a hard time beating our mage with his damned legendary pyro bracers...but those ass rogues just fall further and further behind. Ours was told last night to switch to outlaw because assassination rogues are not able to keep up with outlaw - a decision based on logs from the last two nights(not just our own logs either)