Man fined by courts for "slurring" against teenager Mzee Mohammed on Reddit

[TwoNineMarine]

Trolling is the antithesis to "freedom of speech". Especially when its done anonymously with racist comments.

Its sad that "common decency" such as slurring the dead has to be legislated, but I am 100% fine with the way this was done. (except perhaps the "intelligence gathering" is a little scary)

It's not the antithesis to freedom of speech. People should be allowed to say whatever they want. Whether that is good or bad. You can certainly think that they are a douche but they shouldn't be fined for being a douchebag. No actual harm was caused by this dickhead. If he had made death threats or something then sure. But him being a troll does not warrant a fine and a reduction in free speech.

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I'm of the opinion that the state shouldn't have the right to use violence (arrests / imprisonment) against non-violent crimes.

How is an arrest/imprisonment considered violent?

[Orange Joe]

because f*ck freedom of speech, right?

Oh look, someone who doesn't know what freedom of speech really is....

[Deleted]

Oh look, someone who doesn't know what freedom of speech really is....

So what is it then?

[Orange Joe]

So what is it then?

Well it's gonna change a bit based upon where you live, but mostly it's the ability to speak against the government without fear of retaliation.

You have never had the ability to just say whatever you want wherever you want. We also have laws like libel and slander that limit what you can say about others.

[Deleted]

Well it's gonna change a bit based upon where you live, but mostly it's the ability to speak against the government without fear of retaliation.

You have never had the ability to just say whatever you want wherever you want. We also have laws like libel and slander that limit what you can say about others.

So free speech is ONLY about being able to speak against the government?

So if I'm arrested for expressing anti-copyright views, that's not an attack on my free speech?

[Orange Joe]

So free speech is ONLY about being able to speak against the government?

So if I'm arrested for expressing anti-copyright views, that's not an attack on my free speech?

Attack on your free speech, no.

Unjust and wrong, yes.


Would also depend on what you said. If you expressed said views with threats of violence than no it wouldn't be an attack and it would be just to arrest you.

[Deleted]

Attack on your free speech, no.

Lol, what definition of free speech are you using? I've never seen one that literally ONLY refers to your right to speak against government policy.

Unjust and wrong, yes. Would also depend on what you said. If you expressed said views with threats of violence than no it wouldn't be an attack and it would be just to arrest you.

Assume no threats. According to you, on what basis would my arrest for being anti-copyright be unjust and wrong?

[Orange Joe]

Lol, what definition of free speech are you using? I've never seen one that literally ONLY refers to your right to speak against government policy.

Honestly I was thinking you were talking about corporations. If you are speaking against government policy then it would be different.

Assume no threats. According to you, on what basis would my arrest for being anti-copyright be unjust and wrong?

If you aren't committing libel or slander what law would you be breaking?

[Mafic]

They are running out of funds because the ponzi scheme is going to crash soon so they resort to this extreme justice "system".

[Deleted]

"Slurring" sounds like a very gross sexual term.

That said it's bull, but that's why you never put your real name.

[TwoNineMarine]

Physical force is used to detain someone.

Not if they don't resist. I've seen plenty of people get arrested and all that happens is they get cuffed and sat in the back of the car.

And the one consistent thing I've noticed is that they don't resist.

Weird.

[Deleted]

Guess they didnt get out of EU fast enough after all. The hairy arm of fascist socialist left has grown long.

ye ok. now crawl back under the rock beneath the sewers where you came from.

OT: freedom of speech? fascism? you just made yourself a fool. hiding behind a screen acting like a lowlife piece of s*** doesn't give you any right. they should've jailed the cunt.

[Kalis]

And yet it took how long to put adam choudary in jail?

The reason for that is Anjem Choudary was a sneaky fucker who knew the law.

Plus they wanted him to get an actual prison sentence, not just a fine, so needed him to have committed a serious offence.

[Maletalana]

Vile toxic anonymous hate is worthless and un-needed. Maybe those teenagers spewing hateful language for no other reason than that they can get away with it will clean up their mouths.

I don't get off by using hateful racist speech to attack people anonymously, this sounds great to me.

To the naysayers claiming that now police will search your history and prosecute you for hate speech etc etc, maybe youll learn not to be a hateful racist... hmm...

[TwoNineMarine]

They /are/ forcing someone to come with them / to be locked up somewhere. We can argue the semantics on whether or not to call that violence, but for simplicity's sake, as an ideal it's very simple: The state shouldn't have the right to use violence (force) against someone for non-violent acts. In other words, there shouldn't be any arrests because someone said something racist (non-violent).

I agree with the fact that they shouldn't arrest someone for a freedom of speech issue.

But what about someone who is money laundering or insider trading or the myriad of other non-violent crimes people commit? Should people not be arrested (forced) because their act wasn't violent?

[willtron]

Good, commit a crime, get punished.

It doesn't matter if something was said to somebody's face, over the phone, via email, telegram, whatever. Hate speech should not be tolerated.

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Being free to inflict pain/suffering on others isn't a freedom worth protecting.

He didn't inflict pain or suffering. He just said some baseless things.

[TwoNineMarine]

Vile toxic anonymous hate is worthless and un-needed. Maybe those teenagers spewing hateful language for no other reason than that they can get away with it will clean up their mouths.

I don't get off by using hateful racist speech to attack people anonymously, this sounds great to me.

To the naysayers claiming that now police will search your history and prosecute you for hate speech etc etc, maybe youll learn not to be a hateful racist... hmm...

While it's despicable what some people say it shouldn't be something that leads to arrest or fines or anything else besides calling them a douchebag.

[satimy]

Here:


There have been additions since but it's the original act he got done for.

So when are they sending in the special forces to get those roudy soccer fans m8

[TwoNineMarine]

Punish them non-violently (non-forcefully). I didn't write out an entire plan for reform, but it's a sound principle and should put a lot of people much more soundly at ease, to know that no violence or bad things will happen to them as long as they avoid using violence themselves towards others.

How do you punish them non-forcefully though where they actually feel punished? I get the lane you're trying to go down but I don't see how it could work.

Under this logic someone could literally steal millions of dollars and not actually get punished. I mean you could argue that they could be given house arrest but that would be considered forceful and violent too I imagine.

[Kalis]

How do you punish them non-forcefully though where they actually feel punished? I get the lane you're trying to go down but I don't see how it could work.

Under this logic someone could literally steal millions of dollars and not actually get punished. I mean you could argue that they could be given house arrest but that would be considered forceful and violent too I imagine.

Perhaps write them strongly worded letters until they relent and repay the money. Or employ a child to follow them around and call them big nose in the street.