Email shows fed immigration push to swear in new citizens 'due to election'

[Gestopft]

Since these people would be legal and eligible voters soon anyway, why would anybody have a problem with lowering the voting age to 17?

No difference. Hilarious and blatant maneuver, no matter who does it.

I said in the post before "without changing eligibility requirements."

You can't make anyone turn 18 faster (although I also said I'd be open to an eligibility test to vote pre-18), but you can help people get their citizenship in time to vote. How is that in any way a bad thing?

[Dextroden]

I said in the post before "without changing eligibility requirements."

You can't make anyone turn 18 faster (although I also said I'd be open to an eligibility test to vote pre-18), but you can help people get their citizenship in time to vote. How is that in any way a bad thing?

And welcome back to "When the fuck did I say expediting the process was bad?"!

After the break, another person decided not agreeing with them means I think it's bad. Turns out, you can't be fine with the action but roll your eyes at the blatant reason for doing it.

Edit: Oh, and offering them a test that let's them not wait til 18 is...wait for it. Speeding up the process. Congrats for arguing against yourself.

[Gestopft]

People would have a problem with it because there are migrants who made their applications during periods which weren't 'crunch time'. Special exceptions should not be made for them just because they might miss out on an election. If they didn't want to miss out on the election, they should have made their applications earlier. If the system is too slow, then it should be made faster in its entirely, not just for three months.

Does getting more people in now not improve the timetable for people later down the line? If they are processing new applications first, then that's a problem, but assuming they are starting with the people in the front of the line then it only helps the people behind them.

[Dextroden]

Does getting more people in now not improve the timetable for people later down the line? If they are processing new applications first, then that's a problem, but assuming they are starting with the people in the front of the line then it only helps the people behind them.

If they keep the pace up. That's the only "problem" I have here. The distinct feeling neither party will be getting picking this back up after the polls close. (But, the expectation is they will be Democrats, which is fair in my book. Would you vote for the party people keep telling you hate your guts and their leader wants to see you suffer?)

And I'd hope whoever does this has the sense not to be processing recent over outstanding. It fucks over the people that deal with current hodgepodge.(The only people I really sympathise with. I'm sure there are benign to good people that line hop by entering or overstaying illegaly. But that puts them at a poor comparison to the people who spend far more time and money just trying to get in.)

[Gestopft]

And welcome back to "When the fuck did I say expediting the process was bad?"!

After the break, another person decided not agreeing with them means I think it's bad. Turns out, you can't be fine with the action but roll your eyes at the blatant reason for doing it.

I think at some point we got mixed up; I've been beating around the bush too much.

In theory, getting people their citizenship in time to vote shouldn't be a strategic partisan maneuver, but it is. I was (in a roundabout way) pointing out how disturbing it is that such a simple and important action like making sure that people can vote in an election favors one party so heavily over the other.

[Dextroden]

I think at some point we got mixed up; I've been beating around the bush too much.

In theory, getting people their citizenship in time to vote shouldn't be a strategic partisan maneuver, but it is. I was (in a roundabout way) pointing out how disturbing it is that such a simple and important action like making sure that people can vote in an election favors one party so heavily over the other.

Okay. It appears that way since the demographics being given citizenship have more than likely told like everyone around the globe that one political party absolutely wants them gone. That kind of makes it lopsided, even if a fair chunk of people take it as hyperbole. Plus, just like the already citizens, I expect some of them to not vote or not vote mainstream, either federal or local.

Dextroden's opinion chain. Speeding up our junky legal immigration/citizenship channel is good. The political reason for doing it is hilarious. I expect neither party to give a shit in December, but will ride Democrats hard for it. I like Wigglytuff.

[LilSaihah]

Does getting more people in now not improve the timetable for people later down the line? If they are processing new applications first, then that's a problem, but assuming they are starting with the people in the front of the line then it only helps the people behind them.

In theory, it could. If it's a simple bottleneck that's being addressed then that would be a sensible deduction, but I am not familiar enough with the immigration systems at hand to really say definitively. At the end of the day, I don't trust the Democrats enough to assume they're doing it out of the goodness of their hearts; if the Republicans were doing the same thing I would feel the same way.

[Nathreim]

Democrats have been doing this for decades they used to have "Welcoming Committees" that would target new immigrants to the US to gain their vote.

[Macaquerie]

The Republicans are clearly onto something here, no one could ever accuse them of trying something similar to help their election outcomes, since they've alienated so many groups that any kind of get out the vote campaign whatsoever would be sure to hurt them.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. Speculation isn't evidence just because its your speculation.

But no, this is clearly a sinister plot to by the democrats.

Well after all, the latin terminology for left and right is sinistra and dextra.

I've solved Leonardo's riddle and revealed the secret society in our government!

[Bakis]

Another gem of a thread by Zombergy lol.

[Machismo]

Well, let me see your data on that. And does it include their children as well? Another problem is their income, since they tend not to have any skill to earn money. Thus, they depend on Earned Income tax Credit and Child Tax Credit. Therefore, they get more in refund then they paid in tax.

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But you do not agree with freedom either. If you did that, you would be against unions and for open border. You would have supported U.S. turning into third world country.

Private unions are absolutely what freedom is about. It's a group of people voluntarily joining up to negotiate a salary. I do have a problem with public-employee unions (they are taking the money from strangers via the government), or forcing people to pay into them. Logical consistency is a wonderful thing. And I do support open borders. I think the idea of restricting an action as simple as crossing an invisible line... is borderline idiotic.

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Yes. But who wants to rush them in?

And what side have people repeateadly said on the interwebs despises "Brown people"?

Why do you have such a big problem with people crossing an invisible line?

The act of being an illegal immigrant has never harmed another human being.

[Narwal]

Regardless of what side you're on, D, R, or in the middle, you have to think this through because your party will not always be in power. If you approve of politically expedient actions taken by administrations when it benefits you, one day those politically expedient actions will be to your detriment. We saw the same thing with the nuclear option. I'm sure R's have done it in the past, too. It should be frowned upon that your government is forcing their poor employees to work long/overtime hours to process "above normal" numbers, which invites mistakes which can be very dangerous. What should be done is that laws should be changed to streamline the process, which could increase the flow in a more sustainable way.

[cubby]

Phew, you got me there. Guess I'm not qualified to debate your superior intellect.

Not yet. But dare to dream, eh?

[May90]

Can we finally have one "I hate immigration" megathread, so all these folks contain themselves in it and don't pollute the forums? Pleeeeeeeeease, mods, pleeeeeeeease!

[cubby]

Maybe I can clear that up for you. The email is talking about processing N-400's which are applications for citizenship. The email is talking about staffers working overtime to conduct applicant interviews;

What happens after the interview? If you guessed "swear in," you'd be right. Of course I wouldn't actually expect that you would guess that. You don't seem to be very informed at all on the process. Let me educate you. From the United States Immigration and Citizenship Services Website (AKA people that know more than you)

They swear them in the same day. Once their application is approved, it's a mere formality.

The interview and the swearing in process are separate - as you pointed out - which was my point as well. They are discussing the entire process, not just ramping up swearing in interviews. I realize it's a small distinction, and you are correct that most interviews lead to the swearing in process - I'm comfortable admitting that I'm the one splitting hairs this time.

The quoted portion, "citizen voters," comes from the first paragraph of the letter that Johnson and Grassley sent. That's why the first paragraph in the FOXNews piece said "a powerful lawmaker charged Thursday"

Good point - and yeah, that does swing the story back around to the side of accuracy. Nice catch.

[alexw]

Democrats have been doing this for decades they used to have "Welcoming Committees" that would target new immigrants to the US to gain their vote.

The question is why are republicans not doing this? I mean these people come from generally more conservative countries, so the majority of them should be natural republican voters. The ineptitude and stupidity of the republican party certainly isn't the fault of democrats the blame for that lies solely with republicans. So perhaps that should be where you turn your anger to, if your upset about this, on to their utter ineptitude in attracting natural republicans into the republican party?

[GennGreymane]

Can we finally have one "I hate immigration" megathread, so all these folks contain themselves in it and don't pollute the forums? Pleeeeeeeeease, mods, pleeeeeeeease!

Let us pray to the mod gods!

[Merkava]

The interview and the swearing in process are separate - as you pointed out - which was my point as well. They are discussing the entire process, not just ramping up swearing in interviews. I realize it's a small distinction, and you are correct that most interviews lead to the swearing in process - I'm comfortable admitting that I'm the one splitting hairs this time.




Good point - and yeah, that does swing the story back around to the side of accuracy. Nice catch.

You've gotta understand something Cubby; If you don't like FOXNews because their prime time lineup is, for the most part, ridiculously biased towards conservatives, that's fine. They are. If you don't like FOXNews because you think they chose to run a majority of stories that are negative towards liberals and positive towards conservatives, that's fine too, because FOXNews does that as well. But if you're going to make a half dozen posts in a thread criticizing someone who used a FOXNews article as a reference, because you think that FOX isn't going to source a story that quotes United States Senators and a letter then sent to the Director of Homeland Security along with a redacted email, well that borders on paranoia. And it's a nuisance.

Sorry to be so blunt with it Cubby.

[Damajin]

The irony of you blaming Democrats for fearmongering, especially after the RNC, is pretty hilarious.


And again, if Democrats are doing a better job of appealing to immigrants than Republicans, that's a Republican problem. In fact, Republican leadership knows that's a problem, they just decided to double down on all the policies and positions that have made it a problem because of who their parties nominee is.



Again, this is largely just whining from Republicans that their party demonizes immigrants to appeal to their base, and now they're afraid the very immigrants they demonize won't support them.







Are you trying to say that the Democrats had some kind of long term plan or successful political strategy? Because that's actually kinda hard to believe, the DNC has traditionally been fucking terrible at politics. The GOP has traditionally been far better at planning, strategizing, and mobilizing while Democrats flounder about mostly aimlessly.



So this is a pretty interesting point to me, and it's probably one of the few times I've seen someone attempt to make it.

You’re saying the DNC wasn’t a total shitshow of fearmongering? Both parties have been fearmongering their base for a very long time, let’s not act like it’s not happening please.

It’s not a better job of appealing to immigrants when their entire pitch is “we’ll fast track you into the country, hook you up and cover for you in exchange for votes” that’s bribery.

I’m more than aware that Republican leadership knows it’s a problem, however they’re dealing with a internal fracture of their own that partially defines why the problem exists in the first place: Establishment Republicans have nothing wrong with immigrants from a business vantage point, the entire Chamber of Commerce wing of the party actually likes them as low paid wage slaves and they don’t care if they’re legal or not when you get down to it.

There’s also a good chunk of them that are just as open borders as the hardline Democrats are and have acted in concert and sponsorship of bills and attachments to bills towards that end. Those types are at a crossroads with those border and job hawks who oppose illegal immigration and the undercutting of American citizens in the job market in favor of immigrants whether through the work visa BS or just general normative business efforts.

The supposed whining to their base isn’t all whining, that’s the problem. Lots of the things they’ve brought up regarding immigrants especially illegal ones are valid concerns, the issue there is that the already naturalized immigrant population gets their panties in a bind if you even breathe the words illegal immigrant, it’s a very clear example of choosing blood over country which would be outright wonderful in a homogenous country but in a supposed Constitutional Republic that has been morphed into a melting pot of the world that is just ridiculous and shows they don’t give a shit about the country just them and theirs. Sorry kids that you project so much of yourself into the predicaments these illegals find themselves in, but you’re supposed to be an American citizen now which is a bigger picture last I checked, let me check again. Yep, bigger picture.

Since the Democrat Party has more or less ran the country for the last 70 years with very few breaks (Reagan and Bush II) I’d say they’ve not only had a pretty good long term strategy but have kept it going quite nicely. The DNC isn’t the be all end all of the Democrat party, nor is the RNC so I’m not sure why you’re even bringing them up. Both committees are just extensions of the whole and certainly not the brain of it. The Republicans have been very good at voter turn out efforts and consistent ideology, the Democrats have been very good at the kind of politics we’d call grasping the moment, as in taking advantage of specific hot button issues to illustrate and reflect on the positives and foundational messages of their party platform. Both have been highly opportunistic but the Democrats are a party that has been much more fluid as a whole for quite awhile, as we seen in them as a minority/identity party now and have more or less jettisoned the entire labor wing in their attempted appeal to Wall Street.

At a certain point though discussing the specifics on either party doesn’t matter, they’re both guardians of a different side of the same dirty coin that protects people much better off than you or I and really both should be torpedoed as fast as possible for every normal persons’ sake.