People shot dead by police in the US in 2015

[Felya]

the correlation is high enough and we have a logical mechanism for poverty leading to crime that some level of causation can be assumed, sure correlation doesn't always imply causation but it shouldn't just be ignored.

Well, no, we can correlate that the poor have a higher chance of getting caught and persecuted... But, guess how many people committed a crime during the mortgage scam that tanked the economy? It's a fact that we treat white collar crime, different than blue.

[GennGreymane]

This is blatantly false. Incredibly false...

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Number of arrests, does not show number of crimes committed. Those statistics are not what people are claiming they are.

You are not a criminal till you commit a crime..... Why anyone would say the police don't deal with the general population is beyond me.

[Canpinter]

Not saying it should be ignored, just pointing out an issue.

just think we have parroted the "correlation dose not imply causation" line so much that to some people nothing can imply causation anymore.

[Felya]

poor white people are arrested at a higher rate as well this dose give some evidence that yes poverty leads to a higher crime rate.

No, that conclusion is not at all what it means. It means they have a higher chance of being caught... Again, white collar crime vs blue... It shows higher scrutiny, not higher crime rate. We all commit crime, be it speeding or pot or under age drinking. We have all done some crime in our lives. The data shows the prepotency in catching people, not crimes committed.

[Canpinter]

Well, no, we can correlate that the poor have a higher chance of getting caught and persecuted... But, guess how many people committed a crime during the mortgage scam that tanked the economy? It's a fact that we treat white collar crime, different than blue.

i should have specified violent crime, when discussion police shootings white collar crime is largely irrelevant because that banker committing mortgage fraud isn't the same potentially immediate threat as the guy holding up the 7/11 with a gun. we treat the crimes differently to some extent because they are different.

[Felya]

You are not a criminal till you commit a crime..... Why anyone would say the police don't deal with the general population is beyond me.

You can even pretend they are guilty at the point of contact. But, there are also witnesses and victims that police deals with. Even with the assumption of guilt, they deal with far more witnesses + victims, to make the claim completley short sighted.

[xindralol]

#whitelivesmatter

[GennGreymane]

#whitelivesmatter

#nolivesmatter

[Canpinter]

an interesting question would the BLM crowd and their supports agree with a #menslivesmatter?

[Felya]

i should have specified violent crime, when discussion police shootings white collar crime is largely irrelevant because that banker committing mortgage fraud isn't the same potentially immediate threat as the guy holding up the 7/11 with a gun. we treat the crimes differently to some extent because they are different.

Again, you are assuming violent crime means in the act of committing a crime. Violent crime is not synonymous with violent arrest. In fact, much of violent crime are crimes of passion towards the victim. Even in violent crime, a violent arrest is unlikely.

Then, as you said in the differance, consider what financial bracket the white and blue collar crime is. A blue collar worker doesn't have access to skim thousands from bank accounts... They have a gun and a register...

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an interesting question would the BLM crowd and their supports agree with a #menslivesmatter?

What's happening to men? When is your next meeting?

[Leyre]

Honestly, murican cops should resign, lets see how well they handle not having anyone to enforce the order

[Canpinter]

What's happening to men? When is your next meeting?

the statistics show a much bigger discrepancy in the rate of males being killed vs general population as compared to blacks.

[zenkai]

This is blatantly false. Incredibly false...

Generally they have more dealings with criminals than innocents. Police don't get calls to investigate a house that wasn't robbed.

Number of arrests, does not show number of crimes committed. Those statistics are not what people are claiming they are.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...decoverviewpdf

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an interesting question would the BLM crowd and their supports agree with a #menslivesmatter?

It would be better if BLM were ALM.

That said the problem lies with the apathy of poor whites, latinos and other groups that get victimized by the police, not BLM. Blaming the racial group that got off its fat arse and did something about state executions makes no sense.

[Citizen T]

You can even pretend they are guilty at the point of contact. But, there are also witnesses and victims that police deals with. Even with the assumption of guilt, they deal with far more witnesses + victims, to make the claim completley short sighted.

The majority of crime happens in small areas within the larger confines of a jurisdiction. This means that the even the witnesses and victims are more likely to be criminals themselves. Police officers deal with a much higher percentage of criminals than what is measured in the general population.

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Aren't there also more white people than any other race in America though? So it's kinda like saying why are 5 million dyimg of cancer in America when it's only 10k in Denmark.

Or am I missing something here?

[Canpinter]

It would be better if BLM were ALM.

That said the problem lies with the apathy of poor whites, latinos and other groups that get victimized by the police, not BLM. Blaming the racial group that got off its fat arse and did something about state executions makes no sense.

my point is the same people who are rallying to BML would not be so comfortable with a MLM (male lives matter) because it doesn't fit the oppression narrative they use. even tho the statistics they use support MLM even more.

[bladeXcrasher]

an interesting question would the BLM crowd and their supports agree with a #menslivesmatter?

unlikely as they are feminists.

[chrisfover87]

Do you think those rioters and demonstrators give a flying shit about truth and facts? They are just scums of the society and should all be executed.

[Themius]

It matters in the sense when the narrative is saying it only happens to one race, I can link you stories of white men who were murdered by police, but no one gives a shit.

So if no one gives a shit it did you find out about it?