Getting kicked because playing marksmanship

[Ealyssa]

TBH I refuse MM when searching for a last PUG to fill our guild group, not because MM might be a little under BM. But because of the risk having a huntard mass pulling with barrage/sidewinders.

Hunter players are for the most part HORRIBLE at dealing with their pulling range (and yes, it may force you to lower your dps for the group sake).

[Deleted]

TBH I refuse MM when searching for a last PUG to fill our guild group, not because MM might be a little under BM. But because of the risk having a huntard mass pulling with barrage/sidewinders.

Thanks for that attitude. As always the player base are their own worst enemy.

[metzger84]

I haven't had any problems getting into mythic+ groups as MM myself

[Ealyssa]

Thanks for that attitude. As always the player base are their own worst enemy.

I wont apologize for minimizing risk. That's what good managers do. Feel free to play the MM lottery with your own group

[Aldare]

I play MM in Mythics because BM makes me fall asleep after 5 minutes of play. If I have a tank that's extremely anal about skipping mobs and pulling as little as possible I'll go BM for trash in places like Eye of Azshara to not piss anyone off with Sidewinder pulls, but 90% of the time I'll roll MM.

[Deleted]

After playing BM for a little while, I can see the BIGGEST advantage is not depending on barrage and sidewinders to do significant DPS

[Grishnaar]

I wont apologize for minimizing risk. That's what good managers do. Feel free to play the MM lottery with your own group

That's not being a good manager.

That's taking the easy route, thinking that's the optimal thing to do, when in fact it only makes it easier, not better.

Optimal, and fair to all, thing to do would be telling the MM Hunter to watch out with barrage or, if he can't, to not use it. Or anything along those lines.

You can't be a good manager without actually managing stuff

[Kirbypro]

MM does that too.

If you're not taking Lone Wolf...sure but I would kick you if that's the case.

[sarym13]

After a few weeks people will be kicking you for NOT playing Marksman

[Tehterokkar]

No, it doesn't. Both of those are exotic pets. And you use lone wolf as MM.

Nether Rays and Cranes are not Exotic and usable by non-BM hunters. But as you said, not using Lone Wolf is stupid.

[Deleted]

It's cause people are clueless, MM is pretty damn good in m+ as long as you have a clue what you're doing. I'm guessing people don't like MM cause a lot of hunters can't play the spec for shit and pull entire dungeon.
People arguing that 14 points BM -> 20+ MM are just wrong.
In fact, I'd argue that in your avarage joe m+ run a good MM hunter is just flat out better then BM. It depends on the situation and dungeon, just that most people don't realize how this game ACTUALLY works and are like yaw man BM so gud MM much shit, but they'll catch on eventually.

I'm not saying MM is best m+ spec, I'm saying it's not as bad as people think and in some cases it is even superior to BM right now.

[Deleted]

I wont apologize for minimizing risk. That's what good managers do. Feel free to play the MM lottery with your own group

Did i say anything about playing MM? You seem to be here just to say 'I am a good manager'. When you are demonstrating you arent.


Regarding MM vs BM both are in good spots. I did MAW Mythic+ with MM and it fit perfectly. You still need to be careful with barrage but sidewinders are fine(move close or choose closer target).

[Beet]

And this is one of the reasons I won't be setting a foot in Mythic+. It will be full of pretentious wannabe hardcores that don't give a single fuck about actual skill

Please tell me how you're supposed to determine someone's skill when looking to invite strangers to your pug. I'd love to know. Because I keep getting grouped with people who are out damaged by the tank even post tank nerf.

[Deleted]

As long as you can manage your Sidewinders and Barrage lower mythic+ runs are a lot faster with MM (in my experience so far). Especially in pug groups, since it won't be that easy to stack up adds to stampede them.
The single target damage is a lot higher and burst ae is really good as well. If you are not doing stupid shit then you won't add anything while getting full value out of Barrage / SW.

I had no problems getting into groups as MM so far.

[ReVnX]

Please tell me how you're supposed to determine someone's skill when looking to invite strangers to your pug. I'd love to know. Because I keep getting grouped with people who are out damaged by the tank even post tank nerf.

You can't. That's why instakicking people is stupid

[Chucksauce]

Didn't read the replies, so I don't know if someone mentioned this or not. BM can bring a lust, which many pugs see as a must have. If they didn't have a mage or shaman in the group, that may be why they kicked you.

[xpose]

And this is one of the reasons I won't be setting a foot in Mythic+. It will be full of pretentious wannabe hardcores that don't give a single fuck about actual skilll

mythic + is infinity harder with a bad comp, so no. If a DPS is bad then they are bad, I won't sacrifice my key for a bad comp though.

[Xarathan]

That's not being a good manager.

That's taking the easy route, thinking that's the optimal thing to do, when in fact it only makes it easier, not better.

Optimal, and fair to all, thing to do would be telling the MM Hunter to watch out with barrage or, if he can't, to not use it. Or anything along those lines.

You can't be a good manager without actually managing stuff

if one "route" has a 50/50% chance of pulling everything from westcoast of africa to the coast of china, and thereby ruining any decent chance you have for achieving the goal you set, and the other is one that you can barely mess up. how is it not a better choice to take the second...

I hope you'll never be a manager for a business that i own

[Marrilaife]

Or the fact that EVERY SINGLE mm hunter ive seen so far in eye of azhara pulls every possible snail/seagul/blobb on the whole continent.

Ding, ding, we have a winner.

Same with maw of souls, in higher mythic+ pulling whole boat means you'll get perma feared (while the healers keep healing the mobs) and wipe.

Tbh Halls of Valor / Court of Stars same problem. Pulling extras.

Did you know there's a dragon above Fenryr's Lair? Me neither, but a MM hunter managed to find him.

[c313]

Ding, ding, we have a winner.

Same with maw of souls, in higher mythic+ pulling whole boat means you'll get perma feared (while the healers keep healing the mobs) and wipe.

Tbh Halls of Valor / Court of Stars same problem. Pulling extras.

Did you know there's a dragon above Fenryr's Lair? Me neither, but a MM hunter managed to find him.

Lol that is honestly why I go BM for HoV. Was fine for the first few times with Barrage then all of a sudden one of those Arcane Dragons came from no where.