Democratic Election 2016 - Hillary Clinton Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[jimboa24]

Hillary's mask briefly slips and she wonders in her signature shrill voice why she isn't 50 points ahead:

https://youtu.be/0EyoKB3ZHSc

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Hillary up in a breitbart poll.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...on-trump-grows

[alexw]

Hillary up in a breitbart poll.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...on-trump-grows

The comments on breitbart are totally hilarious. Its a poll done by breitbart + gravis and yet its supposedly rigged in favor of Clinton.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...t-44-trump-40/

[cubby]

Hillary's mask briefly slips and she wonders in her signature shrill voice why she isn't 50 points ahead:

https://youtu.be/0EyoKB3ZHSc

Lol.

1) no "signature" shrill voice - hers is categorically deeper

2) she wouldn't say that out loud

3) that link is beyond ridiculous - do you really think anyone in these forums is going to click on it?

[Edge-]

Lol.

1) no "signature" shrill voice - hers is categorically deeper

2) she wouldn't say that out loud

3) that link is beyond ridiculous - do you really think anyone in these forums is going to click on it?

Actually, she did say that, but she asked it as a rhetorical question as part of her speech. Which you would know if you watched the first 30 seconds of his 50 second clip of Hillary's video speech thingy to the UAW.

You should click it, otherwise there's no point in responding to anything he posts.

[Masark]

1) no "signature" shrill voice - hers is categorically deeper

She could be dubbed by Tim Storms and Republicans would still call it shrill.

[cubby]

Actually, she did say that, but she asked it as a rhetorical question as part of her speech. Which you would know if you watched the first 30 seconds of his 50 second clip of Hillary's video speech thingy to the UAW.

You should click it, otherwise there's no point in responding to anything he posts.

The link looked fake - my bad. The "youtu.be" portion of it looked like a false draw. You're right of course - my apologies.

(unless you're working for the same sinister rickroll organization . . . )

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Hillary's mask briefly slips and she wonders in her signature shrill voice why she isn't 50 points ahead:

https://youtu.be/0EyoKB3ZHSc

I wouldn't call it shrill, but if I didn't like her, that voice would totally annoy me.

[jimboa24]

The link looked fake - my bad. The "youtu.be" portion of it looked like a false draw. You're right of course - my apologies.

(unless you're working for the same sinister rickroll organization . . . )

Yeah, i'm on my cell phone. When you copy a YouTube link from the mobile YouTube app, the link looks weird on a regular web browser.

[cubby]

Yeah, i'm on my cell phone. When you copy a YouTube link from the mobile YouTube app, the link looks weird on a regular web browser.

Gotcha - thanks for clarifying that (and apologies again) - I didn't know that at all about the mobile app link.

[jimboa24]

Gotcha - thanks for clarifying that (and apologies again) - I didn't know that at all about the mobile app link.

No prob, it actually kind of sucks cause the embed video tools on mmo-champ doesn't recognize the mobile app link, which is why I didn't embed it. Just in case you see similar links on here.

And I know she framed it as a rhetorical question, but the way she said it with some barely suppressed anger kinda tips off that she herself is wondering why she isn't 50 points ahead.

[cubby]

No prob, it actually kind of sucks cause the embed video tools on mmo-champ doesn't recognize the mobile app link, which is why I didn't embed it. Just in case you see similar links on here.

I will remember that - thanks again.

And I know she framed it as a rhetorical question, but the way she said it with some barely suppressed anger kinda tips off that she herself is wondering why she isn't 50 points ahead.

I definitely saw that - I think a lot of people are wondering the same thing. Some people are claiming that the media are pumping up Trump for ratings and that in turn has kept the race close. I never thought it would be this close in the polls. I'm also both terrified and deeply curious to see what the final outcome will be.

[Venant]

I'm also both terrified and deeply curious to see what the final outcome will be.

I wonder how many Hillary supporters have done the thoughtl exercise of imagining how they would feel telling their Hillary supporter friends that they are going to vote for Trump. I imagine they would realize that they have a deep fear of ostracism.

[Edge-]

I wonder how many Hillary supporters have done the thoughtl exercise of imagining how they would feel telling their Hillary supporter friends that they are going to vote for Trump. I imagine they would realize that they have a deep fear of ostracism.

This goes both ways, let's not pretend extreme partisanship is only something that affects folks who support one party.

[Venant]

This goes both ways, let's not pretend extreme partisanship is only something that affects folks who support one party.

I would say that from observation, you will see that the side of the ideological spectrum that leans more towards collectivism tends to have more extreme levels of social pressure and ostracism.

[Endus]

I would say that from observation, you will see that the side of the ideological spectrum that leans more towards collectivism tends to have more extreme levels of social pressure and ostracism.

A cursory glance at recent events shows this to be hokum.

Which side of the ideological spectrum took the most issue with a guy choosing to sit through the anthem? Not the left-wingers.
Which side draws ideological lines to separate people on grounds such as sexuality, making social pressure and ostracism a core component of their party platform? That's the Republicans.

I could keep going.

Heck, your claim doesn't even make internal sense. The only way "collectivism" (which isn't even an accurate use of the word, but I digress) works is by accepting those social differences as part of the fabric that makes up our society. That way everyone is "collected" into that one society. The alternative, in the silly way you're using the phrase, is a patchwork amalgam of separate societies which are all hostile towards their neighbours, ostracising anyone who dares challenge the rigidly defined separations between each.

[Kraenen]

Heck, your claim doesn't even make internal sense. The only way "collectivism" (which isn't even an accurate use of the word, but I digress) works is by accepting those social differences as part of the fabric that makes up our society. That way everyone is "collected" into that one society. The alternative, in the silly way you're using the phrase, is a patchwork amalgam of separate societies which are all hostile towards their neighbours, ostracising anyone who dares challenge the rigidly defined separations between each.

You just argued a bit of his point, saying the left is more collective while the right is more tribal. Did you intend to do that? Social pressure and ostracism will happen in both cases, as we've seen from the far left SJWs.

[Endus]

You just argued for his point, saying the left is more collective while the right is more tribal. Did you intend to do that?

You might have noticed the bit in parentheses, where I point out that the way he's using the word is nonsensical to begin with. The rest was me evaluating his comment granting the "silly way [he] was using the phrase", to show how even granting that, it still doesn't make any sense.

I'd argue that both sides of the political coin in the US are "collectivist". The big difference is that the left-wing types want to mitigate those separations, under the greater label of "American", so that those differences aren't separating factors, while the right-wing takes those labels and uses them explicitly to separate and often work to denigrate. The statements by Trump against Mexicans, for instance, or Muslims, or immigrants in general. The opposition to gay rights, and women's rights. The focus on "the black community" as being the source of all society's ills, for some reason. All these are "collectivist", in that you're concerned about groups rather than individuals. And they're all coming out of the Republicans, not the Democrats.

[Spectral]

I wonder how many Hillary supporters have done the thoughtl exercise of imagining how they would feel telling their Hillary supporter friends that they are going to vote for Trump. I imagine they would realize that they have a deep fear of ostracism.

I live in a very left-wing city with a strongly left-leaning group of friends; I openly mock leftism and state that I would never, ever want to see Clinton in the White House and have not been ostracized in any way. I tend to think that fear of ostracism over political differences is probably overstated.

[mvaliz]

I live in a very left-wing city with a strongly left-leaning group of friends; I openly mock leftism and state that I would never, ever want to see Clinton in the White House and have not been ostracized in any way. I tend to think that fear of ostracism over political differences is probably overstated.

This is simple... because US Liberals aren't the douchebags like most US Conservatives are.

My parents live in SC - and my father was getting emails from his neighbor with pro-republican propaganda, and my father is best described as Hank Hill in personality, and has never once thrown a conflict up ever. He went over and politely asked him if he could not send him those emails, and his neighbor said to him "Tell you what, how about lets just not talk ever agian - ok?" and smiled and walked away.

My cousin has been completely ostracized from her family due to her being gay, and prior to that her parents shunned her for being "Liberal". The one and ONLY time I was at their home her father, right in front of her, leaned over to me saying "Yeah, she's got a poluted Liberal mind - don't worry, we're going to turn her into on of us one day!" and joking prodded me in the shoulder... with him arrogantly assuming I was a Conservative at that time.

[Spectral]

This is simple... because US Liberals aren't the douchebags like most US Conservatives are.

My family are a bunch of rural conservatives that don't mind my generally left-wing social policy preferences. The American conservatives and liberals that I interact with in the different phases of my life are both fine.

But whatever, the other tribe is evil. It's not just some bad individuals, it's that the whole damned tribe is rotten, eh?