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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    So who will clean the toilets once you leave? Don't tell me the brits might have to get shit on their hands? Or will they pay millions for the poles to do it?
    Well the shortage of telephone sanitizers will doom them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafic View Post
    NATO's mission is centered in the heart of Europe. What else is NATO's "mission"? Defending Guam? Defending Hawaii? Lets be real here.
    That is right and do you know why it was centered their? Because Europe was bordered with the USes rival, the USSR.



    If it is recommended it is pretty much a requirement obligation for NATO or else that country is free loading. The reason why the U.S. doesn't punish is because they realize European nations do not have the stomach to increase spending for military.
    Recomendation and Reguirement are not the same thing, and the US does not nothing because really their is nothing they can do about it, except threaten to leave and the US needs those European bases for Force Projection. Lower paying members are not violating the NATO treaty, no matter how long you want to milk that cow.

    Germany's military force is tiny and not well funded.
    It is the 9th most funded Armed Force in the world and even with lower GDP% spending overall still spends more then other countries. Tiny yes for a country of Germanies Economic strength.

    Skill doesn't matter much when it comes to tank warfare in my opinion, because numbers is what matters more. If you compare the number of main battle tanks that Western European nations have versus Eastern European nations you are in a surprise.
    And numbers are not everything. You have to compare logistics needed to keep the tank Combat ready, Armour, Weaponry, Crew Numbers and Trainning.

    Lets take for example Americas Wet dream comes through and the Russia morphs into the USSR and sends tanks throughout Eastern Europe. How many of those build tanks are Combat Operational? How many properly trainned Personnel can Man them? Do they have the logistic capability to keep them armed, supplied and repaired on a offensive?


    The wealth is a side of effect of investing in other endeavors not involved in military budgets. Once military investments must be increased that wealth will diminish and it will hamper European economy. This is one of the reasons why Greece is broke as an example, because lets be honest did Greece need that many main battle tanks given its geographical location?
    Greece is broke because they kept electing Officials who made to many promises, were living above their means and have hiding from the Taxman as a national sport. Greece is to blame for Greece.

    Europe can not even agree to secure borders and you don't need an army to do that anyways.
    Securing the borders would just be one goal of this Army.

    Germany is ranked 9th and has nothing to show for it for a fighting force that can project, mobilize, etc. It is pretty much a paper tiger, but even looking at their numbers they are severely lacking compared to smaller countries like Israel, Greece, etc.
    Seems to be good enough for Germany. What Combat operations are they involved in? Afghanistan, Mali alongside France, Lithuania, the Turkish border. Parts of the ME doing reconisance for Forces fighting ISIS. Then lets not forget the STRATAIRMEDEVAC wich is a Air Ambulance service for Allied Soldiers who are wounded.
    So lets say they were to increase power projection, were to exactly? West, East, North, South are all Allies. Maybe they should reach out further towards Russia or as Germany calls it one of its largest trading partners? Maybe further and go hate boner on another large trading partner China?

    What rivals does Germany have that it needs to be able to project power worldwide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Well a different kind of shit than what goes down the pan. You see there are things that the UK are very good at, mundane stuff like blocked toilets and building cars we leave to other menials.
    http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Golgafrincham

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    Well the shortage of telephone sanitizers will doom them all.
    Damnit, you were faster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7313081.html

    We need this army badly. Good thing they are leaving soon.
    The brits are no longer invited to the party so what they will do, noone cares.
    They can sit on their little island, waiting for the drought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlegethon View Post
    The brits are no longer invited to the party so what they will do, noone cares.
    They can sit on their little island, waiting for the drought.
    UK vs global economy.
    Round one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    Your right, Britain was awful at building cars. Until we sold our car industry to Germany, Japan etc now we are actually quite good at putting the parts together under instruction from our foreign masters.
    Our engineering has always been top notch, it was the putting them together that we sucked at.

    Like making cars that were more aerodynamic going forwards than backwards - we struggled with that, nobody thought to turn the body around and make it work like a proper car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tollshot View Post
    Some of our engineering was top notch, but Britain made some truely awful cars in the 70s and 80s.

    The British car industry was brought to its knees by trade unionists, such as Derek Robinson, and never really recovered.
    We also produced some true greats, like the Austin Allegro...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Master of Coins View Post
    I'm sure British Culture will save them. All they have to do is wave their union jacks hard enough.
    People tend to take their country's economic situation for granted.
    UK for example had a much weaker economy until the late 80's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    We also produced some true greats, like the Austin Allegro...

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    Look at that! What more could you want for bonfire night?
    That car is hardly on fire, the wheels are still intact and the whole front of it is alright. Would not buy again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    That car is hardly on fire, the wheels are still intact and the whole front of it is alright. Would not buy again.
    You don't want burning tyres on Guy Fawkes Night, that would stink the place up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The UK has won the Falklands at the very least.
    Europe includes the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    We also produced some true greats, like the Austin Allegro...
    Look at that! What more could you want for bonfire night?
    The paint job is amazing, those flames are so lifelike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    well, yes, because that is what happened.
    The question is whether or not the vote's (well the initial one at least) was a free and fair expression of the population's will.
    So in other words whether it was independent or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    The UK has won the Falklands at the very least.
    So you are refuting dribble's claim then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotutha View Post
    That is right and do you know why it was centered their? Because Europe was bordered with the USes rival, the USSR.





    Recomendation and Reguirement are not the same thing, and the US does not nothing because really their is nothing they can do about it, except threaten to leave and the US needs those European bases for Force Projection. Lower paying members are not violating the NATO treaty, no matter how long you want to milk that cow.



    It is the 9th most funded Armed Force in the world and even with lower GDP% spending overall still spends more then other countries. Tiny yes for a country of Germanies Economic strength.



    And numbers are not everything. You have to compare logistics needed to keep the tank Combat ready, Armour, Weaponry, Crew Numbers and Trainning.

    Lets take for example Americas Wet dream comes through and the Russia morphs into the USSR and sends tanks throughout Eastern Europe. How many of those build tanks are Combat Operational? How many properly trainned Personnel can Man them? Do they have the logistic capability to keep them armed, supplied and repaired on a offensive?



    Greece is broke because they kept electing Officials who made to many promises, were living above their means and have hiding from the Taxman as a national sport. Greece is to blame for Greece.



    Securing the borders would just be one goal of this Army.



    Seems to be good enough for Germany. What Combat operations are they involved in? Afghanistan, Mali alongside France, Lithuania, the Turkish border. Parts of the ME doing reconisance for Forces fighting ISIS. Then lets not forget the STRATAIRMEDEVAC wich is a Air Ambulance service for Allied Soldiers who are wounded.
    So lets say they were to increase power projection, were to exactly? West, East, North, South are all Allies. Maybe they should reach out further towards Russia or as Germany calls it one of its largest trading partners? Maybe further and go hate boner on another large trading partner China?

    What rivals does Germany have that it needs to be able to project power worldwide?
    America's "wet dream" is Russia disappears, not that it starts a war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    Europe includes the UK.

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    The paint job is amazing, those flames are so lifelike.
    Its not Continental Europe, which is how he was looking at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    So in other words whether it was independent or not.

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    So you are refuting dribble's claim then?
    Depends on how you view "Continental Europe" vs "Europe".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    America's "wet dream" is Russia disappears, not that it starts a war.
    But then they would have to find a new enemy to rally against and all that money spent on propaganda in the past would be wasted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    But then they would have to find a new enemy to rally against and all that money spent on propaganda in the past would be wasted...
    We have one already, much more worthy than the failed Russians, China.

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    EU needs an army, if only so that people here in the US can stop using "we spend so much money defending the world with our army!" As an excuse for why we can't have single payer health care, higher minimum wage, more government jobs to fix infrastructure, etx.

    "We can't afford to give our country the benefits most first world nations enjoy, we're too busy playing world police."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    EU needs an army, if only so that people here in the US can stop using "we spend so much money defending the world with our army!" As an excuse for why we can't have single payer health care, higher minimum wage, more government jobs to fix infrastructure, etx.

    "We can't afford to give our country the benefits most first world nations enjoy, we're too busy playing world police."
    We spend more on healthcare than defense already, infrastructure would be cheaper is road crews didnt need 3 supervisors for each real worker, minimum wage and defense spending are not related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    We have one already, much more worthy than the failed Russians, China.
    In that case why would you care enough about Russia that them disappearing would count as "wet dream"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    EU needs an army, if only so that people here in the US can stop using "we spend so much money defending the world with our army!" As an excuse for why we can't have single payer health care, higher minimum wage, more government jobs to fix infrastructure, etx.

    "We can't afford to give our country the benefits most first world nations enjoy, we're too busy playing world police."
    The US won't cut its military spend and thus reduce its influence on the world stage, just because the EU has an army, so why would they stop using that as an excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noradin View Post
    In that case why would you care enough about Russia that them disappearing would count as "wet dream"?
    Because we would not have to worry about Europe anymore.

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