Flag-stomping teacher has no regrets, wants student punished

[Deleted]

I mean, his point about free speech is kinda on the nose considering the supposed vitriol it's attracted.

As I read further and further this was the message I was getting.

Not suggesting his teaching methods are the best but it *is* just a piece of cloth.

[Dezerte]

Its easy to be a patriot when your goal post is saluting a flag

Not when you move the goal post. Again and again.

[GennGreymane]

Not when you move the goal post. Again and again.

People like to do things easy, especially patriotism. They will keep the goal posts as close to nothing as possible.

[Ryzeth]

I'm glad stamping on a piece of cloth doesn't mean I have to worry about losing my job where I live.

[dextersmith]

Idiot doesn't know what defamation is and uses a child as a scapegoat.

[Karadros]

Americans and their flags.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Another thread that shows no one cares about free speech when its someone they dont like.

Can you imagine if some teacher had stomped on a Qur'an in class in a demonstration of the 1st?

It wouldn't just be some small local community calling for the resignation of a one teacher.

It would be a nation wide category 10 shit-storm of people crying for his arrest for committing a hate crime and the narrative would find an oh so subtle way to take 1 demonstration and make it all about "widespread international racism against Islam".

[AndaliteBandit]

Idiot doesn't know what defamation is and uses a child as a scapegoat.

The photos aren't defamation, but it's possible that the accompanying caption was.

[Spectral]

Conservative SJWs.

Kid that got upset over it should get slapped over the head.

Indeed. As all the good people know in 2016, having contempt for your nation and snarkily demonstrating in a classroom is just what good people do.

[Deleted]

So a tldr.

Teacher uses his Freedom to express his opinnion. Brainwashed student upset someone did something and broke School Policies.

[TrumpIsPresident]

IMO it was a good thing. He was doing it in the context of showing what the first amendment really means. He wasn't doing it to be hateful but showing that no matter how much you might not like what he did he has the right to free speech.

There are countless examples of what freedom of speech means.

A good teacher would have found a modern way to engage the students.

Perfect example: How the UK just fined a guy for making a post on reddit.

That is a PERFECT example of government infringing upon the freedom of speech and it would have resonated much better with that age group because they probably all use reddit.

But no, he went for shock value by attacking the flag.

I'd love to get some perspective on his personal opinions on BLM since they recently declared that the US flag was "racist".

Wonder if there's a connection there.

[AndaliteBandit]

Indeed. As all the good people know in 2016, having contempt for your nation and snarkily demonstrating in a classroom is just what good people do.

I think the colloquial term for such an act these days is called triggering.

[Crissi]

Its a different kind of good example. It is imperitive to reinforce that critisism and expressions of that critisism of ones country also flal under freedom of speech. Stomping on flags, kneeling during the anthem, refusal to recite the pledge are all acceptable, and should be taught that doing those things doesnt make you anti AMerican and they do, indeed, encompass what the 1st really is about. Protecting speech and expressions that we find distasteful.

Also, ritualistic patriotism is the stupidest thing ever. We need more critical thinking, not blind following

[Taneras]

I would have to have been in the class to take a strong stance on the issue, but it does seem inappropriate for high school. You can explain that its legal to burn the flag and how that relates to the first amendment without pulling out a flag and setting it on fire, cutting it up, or stomping on it in much the same way you can teach sex ed without having porn stars enact various things at the front of the class. Some lesson plans are great to have hands on examples, this one? Not so much.

However, the general theme of that lesson I can get behind. The best way to show you that you support the first amendment is to tolerate speech you don't agree with. Anyone can tolerate hearing things that they already agree with. Sadly I'm willing to bet many of the people who support this only do so for political reasons. Make that flag a Quran and watch what happens. Have that teacher don a "Trump 16" hat and tell the class that he thinks we need to make America great again and see what happens.

Heck, forget high school, here is how some colleges are treating that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=konY_isZOLo

I'm sure they're fine with flag burning though.

[TrumpIsPresident]

So a tldr.

Teacher uses his Freedom to express his opinnion. Brainwashed student upset someone did something and broke School Policies.

tldr

Moonbat radical stomps on flag to demonstrate what free speech is then gets butt-hurt after learning other people are using their freedom of speech to talk about his moonbat antics.

[Kellhound]

So, the teacher has the right to desecrate the flag. The parents of the students have the right to demand the removal of a teacher they feel is teaching improperly. The teacher was performing in public and had no expectation of privacy and thus the photo was also a First Amendment action.

[Kapadons]

I don't get how he is "losing" his first amendment rights? He isn't being arrested or made to show up in court. The first amendment protects you from the government, not your boss and not other citizens. They are perfectly entitled to fire you for your actions and other people are free to disagree. He still has all the rights granted to him by the first Amendment

[TrumpIsPresident]

Stomping on flags, kneeling during the anthem, refusal to recite the pledge are all acceptable, and should be taught that doing those things doesnt make you anti AMerican and they do, indeed, encompass what the 1st really is about.

You can be moonbat anti-American in expressing the 1st by stomping on the flag.

You can be a radical racist in expressing the 1st by kneeling during the anthem.

The government cant stop people from doing these things, that's what the 1st means.

The public, the people, however can criticize and punish all we want.

[Crissi]

You can be moonbat anti-American in expressing the 1st by stomping on the flag.

You can be a radical racist in expressing the 1st by kneeling during the anthem.

The government cant stop people from doing these things, that's what the 1st means.

The public, the people, however can criticize and punish all we want.

and Ive already said the people can. I just find it absolutely stupid that people think stomping the flag or not standing for the anthem mean you hate AMerica and should live somewhere else. Thats pretty much brainwash levels of patriotism.

[Theinquisition]

It's one thing to stomp on a flag as a protest, when you are doing it on your time. It's another entirely when you are doing it on the taxpayers time. Futhermore, his lawsuit is garbage.

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and Ive already said the people can. I just find it absolutely stupid that people think stomping the flag or not standing for the anthem mean you hate AMerica and should live somewhere else. Thats pretty much brainwash levels of patriotism.

It is a level of hatred. What other reason could you have to step on the flag if you don't hate the nation of that flag? Furthermore, if you hate a place soooo much that you feel the need to stomp on the flag, why live there, obviously you think its horrible.