Flag-stomping teacher has no regrets, wants student punished

[ArguesWithStrangers]

If you honestly believe that the student who took the picture wasn't hoping for some form of disciplinary action to take place that you are either being incredibly disingenuous or you are blinded by bias.

It's amazing that when the shoe fits the other foot, suddenly he's not the conservative version of a SJW. One doesn't need to "throw a hysteric fit, or seek a "safe space" to be considered a SJW, and this lad fits the bill.

In my first post I allowed for the fact that there might be some behavior on the part of the student that I am unaware of. I made my judgement based on what has been reported so far. You on the other hand determined his intent was malicious despite having no more information than I. I think that speaks far more to your bias than mine.

[Wells]

You cannot always have it both ways. Having the right to do something does not mean having the right to not pay the price.

The Bill of Rights explicitly protects him from "the price" of his speech as it might be extracted from him by government.

[NineSpine]

You cannot always have it both ways. Having the right to do something does not mean having the right to not pay the price.

If the government imposes a price on you for exercising a right, then it isn't a right. That's what makes something a right.

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It is really odd that the only other countries that have people getting this pissed off because of shit like this are places like North Korea or extremely religious states.

[Super Kami Dende]

He has freedom of speech, just not freedom of consequence

Of course, I just don't really see there being much of a need of consequence for standing on a Flag. I know you are a military man and the flag likely has much more meaning to you, I respect that I just don't hold much reverence myself for Flags

[May90]

You cannot always have it both ways. Having the right to do something does not mean having the right to not pay the price.

If a person expressed an opinion exercising their free speech, then the price they pay should be in the form of response, with other people using their right to free speech to criticize the person's behavior. Without any administrative action, I think.

And yes, before the usual "you are all hypocrites!" suspects chime in, I believe that it should be so for all kinds of free speech, even the ones I disagree with. If the teacher had burned an LGBT flag, then, while I wouldn't find it appropriate, I would prefer his behavior being fought with words, not brute force.

[Kellhound]

A> isn't a factor at all, because schools almost universally don't have any such requirement; they DO have expectations that students will respect the staff, however. And educating students about the First Amendment is in no way "disrespecting" them.

B? That's the role of a teacher. To challenge their students, and expand their intellectual boundaries. The students who caused the disruption are the ones in error.



If he wasn't burning it, then there's absolutely nothing actionable here.



You realize you're arguing for a "safe space" where students aren't made to face truths that they find uncomfortable, right? Don't you usually rail against that stuff?

Challenging students' incorrect assumptions is a fundamental part of the teaching process.

Teachers are required to respect their students as well, or at least around here they are. May be different in Canada.
Grade school teachers are not supposed to teach in a manner that would be likely to cause disruption, this isnt college.

[NineSpine]

I think you just answered your own question. Preferences and ideologies do not directly equate to policy.

That's where policy starts. You can't havea policy that doesn't start with an ideology, even if that ideology is as basic as believing in a government.

[May90]

The presupposition is also that the people who support flag burning wouldn't also support Qu'ran burning.

Which is ridiculous, because i probably support burning the Qu'ran even more than burning a flag.

I don't "support" either. But I support people's right to do both.

[daenerys]

Apparently conservatives don't really like freedom of speech and the First Amendment.

Try going to a Liberal college campus. They shout down any speech they don't like. They demand their safe places hindering all speech they don't like.

Conservatives love free speech, but we recognize there are consequences for it. On college campuses now days the majority of liberals want speech significantly curtailed, and the first amendment altered/repealed. For every case of a conservative being against a form of free speech, I can find 100 of Liberals against free speech.

[Theinquisition]

My response to that was changing the channel? Anything else?

indeed, the NFL mis seeing some major ratings drops because of it too. Serves them well. thankfully my beloved cardinals haven't stooped to that level of stupidity yet.

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I said Nationalist, not a "progressive". Also as I said I'm right leaning, not right wing. I'm mostly in the centre a lot of the time but have started leaning more Right over the past few years.

HA scooped and served.

[NineSpine]

Try going to a Liberal college campus. They shout down any speech they don't like. They demand their safe places hindering all speech they don't like.

Conservatives love free speech, but we recognize there are consequences for it. On college campuses now days the majority of liberals want speech significantly curtailed, and the first amendment altered/repealed. For every case of a conservative being against a form of free speech, I can find 100 of Liberals against free speech.

Try going to a conservative college campus. BYU tells you what kind of shirts you can wear, how late you can be out, who you can associate with, what books are allowed on campus, etc.. Conservative colleges, especially religious ones, are downright authoritarian.

[Azadina]

The presupposition is also that the people who support flag burning wouldn't also support Qu'ran burning.

Which is ridiculous, because i probably support burning the Qu'ran even more than burning a flag.

It's really funny because the people who make that comparison in an attempt to point out some hypocrisy in others, only end up pointing their own. They are the same crowd who would cheer at Qu'ran being burned, but are outraged at flag burning.

[Theinquisition]

The distinction is meaningless when you put pen to paper and start actually crafting policy and running a country.

Well luckily for us, Bernie didn't get the nomination.

[JohnBrown1917]

It is really odd that the only other countries that have people getting this pissed off because of shit like this are places like North Korea or extremely religious states.

But thats what makes it entertaining.

[Cerus]

Apparently this dipshit is nowhere near as familiar with the First Amendment as he thinks he is.

FYI - Taking someone's photo with the intent to sell it, benefit from it in any way or to cause harm IS illegal.

[Endus]

Aren't you usually in favor of it?

Safe spaces? No. They don't really exist in Canada at all, and I've said they're a silly system quite a few times. If speech is "bad", it's best to speak against it, not hide yourself from it.

Teachers are required to respect their students as well, or at least around here they are. May be different in Canada.
Grade school teachers are not supposed to teach in a manner that would be likely to cause disruption, this isnt college.

You're using the terms incorrectly, or something. Challenging a student's preconceptions and pushing their boundaries isn't "disrespect", at all. Meanwhile, challenging a teacher's authority and disrupting their lesson is disrespect.

Your location is "Bank of the Columbia". Am I correct in presuming Washington State, then?

Here's their State's code of ethics for teachers; http://www.k12.wa.us/ProfPractices/CodeConduct.aspx

There's nothing in there that would make this teacher's lesson actionable.

[daenerys]

Right here is where i would normally link the bender gif "Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder" but i'm too lazy to find it.

But holy shit was that some bullshit right there. The feds did not by any means "take over" the healthcare industry rofl what the fuck.

They did not take over, If they fully took it over it would be closer to Socialism. The fact that it was super regulated is what makes it fascist. Any federal policy that significantly regulates business, is by definition a fascist policy.

[Theinquisition]

Try going to a conservative college campus. BYU tells you what kind of shirts you can wear, how late you can be out, who you can associate with, what books are allowed on campus, etc.. Conservative colleges, especially religious ones, are downright authoritarian.

Well, it is a religious school.....so...theres that.

[NineSpine]

Well luckily for us, Bernie didn't get the nomination.

Yeah, but conservatives nominated an incompetent fascist reality star who makes his money running fake college scams and brags about wanting to fuck his daughter.