Flag-stomping teacher has no regrets, wants student punished

[Elim Garak]

what is on the left ?

It's a doormat

[Wells]

Misguided as they may be, they are trying to make America better based on how they view the world, not worse.

Also I'm interested to hear your alternative, how can you love America but be against it changing, when the entire concept of America is based on constant change and innovation.

Not a huge Trevor Noah fan, but I think he nailed the entire thing pretty well. Paraphrasing "America is great because we let you say what you want so shut up and stop talking about this".

[AndaliteBandit]

They did not take over, If they fully took it over it would be closer to Socialism. The fact that it was super regulated is what makes it fascist. Any federal policy that significantly regulates business, is by definition a fascist policy.

Like child labor laws?

[Deleted]

It's a doormat

No, to me it looks more like a prayer alter or something like that.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Because when it comes down to it, indoctrination is fine and dandy in your book as long as they're indoctrinated to think and act like you.

Its not about "think and act like I do" its about opposing the moonbat nonsense these so-called places of education are dispensing.

[Dr Assbandit]

I disagree booty bandit, unless he specifically asked for cencure, I don't see how the kid was trying to get this teacher in trouble, he did that on his own. Common sense should have taken place here.

So the teacher noticed the student making a video of him and then taking the flag from him, and enjoyed this bit of cheekiness so much that he marched it straight to the principle office himself but uploaded it online as well?

Okay Tony

There is only one reason why the student recorded this and then took it to the principal and I'll let you figure out the why.

[Wells]

There's three aspects to this, as I see it.

1) It was a classroom, so it was either public property, or private (and not his) property. While flag desecration is legal, damaging someone else's property is not.
2) It was a classroom, and he is an employee, and so there are certain expectations. A teacher is not there to teach kids whatever they want. They have a curriculum and organization ethos to uphold. You can add character to lessons, you can voice your opinion as long as it's clear it's your opinion... But if you go crazy and do crazy things, remember you're an employee, and the business has the right to change that if it decides.
3) It's a freakin classroom! in formative ages and times, one has to keep in mind that doing crazy things is not always as bright as it seems. Have some mental moderation.

TLDR: He broke the law/system and got the boot. Nothing much else.

1. Stepping on a flag is not going to damage it, particularly not in such a way that it would justify termination.
2. You want teachers to function as rote lecturers on predetermined curriculum?
3. He taught a highschool level course. These aren't frail little children who need to be protected from unpleasant ideas.

[Kellhound]

By the government yes it is.

Government employees are not at will employees, and therefore cannot be fired without cause. They are also entitled to due process before they are fired.

Cause: Your teaching methods caused a massive disruption in class and insulted students and you knew it was likely to do so. We do not feel it is in the students best interest to continue to have you as their teacher because of your performance.

[Endus]

So I can make posts about Quran burning and ways to burn the Quran and put up videos of Qurans on fire and it would be absolutely ok and you cant infract me for that.

Except its not ok because this community set standards that say its not so I would get an infraction.

Just like that community, and that State, has set standards for saying what this radical did wasn't ok and thus he is subject to their criticism and punishment.

People get infracted for hateful posting behaviour. We're perfectly capable of understanding context and intent when evaluating such.

However, on this particular case, I seriously doubt that State's code of ethics bans teachers from this kind of action. This was in NC, and here's that State's teacher code of ethics; http://www.dpi.state.nc.us/docs/effe...-of-ethics.pdf

Nothing in there that stomping on a flag breaks.

Here's the school's site, I can't see anything on there his behaviour would be in breach of; http://mhchs.ccs.k12.nc.us/

And here's the student code of conduct for the school; http://ccs.k12.nc.us/wp-content/uplo...f-Conduct-.pdf

The student's behaviour falls under Class 1 and Class 2 violations, for insubordination and disruptive behaviour.

So no; you're making stuff up, basically.

Performing an act you are very well aware will very likely insult students when there is no need to do so is very disrespectful to those students who are not there by choice. If it was college it is totally different.

Stomping on a flag doesn't "insult" anyone.

[Wells]

Its not about "think and act like I do" its about opposing the moonbat nonsense these so-called places of education are dispensing.

[video=youtube;p2_DTlRaVzM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_DTlRaVzM

[video=youtube;iKcWu0tsiZM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM[

[video=youtube;CvYSPxvrq5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYSPxvrq5s

No one gives a shit about your youtube playlist dude.

[ranzino]

It's a doormat

i know what it is on the floor. but what is the bookstand for ?

[Elim Garak]

No, to me it looks more like a prayer alter or something like that.

The whole thing - perhaps, the flag thing is a doormat though.

[Kellhound]

Takes some serious gymnastics to claim that stepping on a flag means he won't be able to teach.

If it causes him to lose the respect of the student body, the parents, and the school? It absolutely does. This is grade school, not college.

[Wells]

If it causes him to lose the respect of the student body, the parents, and the school? It absolutely does. This is grade school, not college.

This is just an elaborate way of saying he should be fired because people don't like what he said.

[Kellhound]

People get infracted for hateful posting behaviour. We're perfectly capable of understanding context and intent when evaluating such.

However, on this particular case, I seriously doubt that State's code of ethics bans teachers from this kind of action. This was in NC, and here's that State's teacher code of ethics; http://www.dpi.state.nc.us/docs/effe...-of-ethics.pdf

Nothing in there that stomping on a flag breaks.

Here's the school's site, I can't see anything on there his behaviour would be in breach of; http://mhchs.ccs.k12.nc.us/

And here's the student code of conduct for the school; http://ccs.k12.nc.us/wp-content/uplo...f-Conduct-.pdf

The student's behaviour falls under Class 1 and Class 2 violations, for insubordination and disruptive behaviour.

So no; you're making stuff up, basically.



Stomping on a flag doesn't "insult" anyone.

That is your opinion.

[Endus]

Cause: Your teaching methods caused a massive disruption in class and insulted students and you knew it was likely to do so. We do not feel it is in the students best interest to continue to have you as their teacher because of your performance.

That's not "cause". The "disruption" is poor behavior by the students, and actionable under their student code of conduct. And stomping on a flag, again, doesn't "insult" anyone. It's a piece of cloth.

[Elim Garak]

i know what it is on the floor. but what is the bookstand for ?

a prayer corner, probably

[Kellhound]

This is just an elaborate way of saying he should be fired because people don't like what he said.

Yes. So what? If his employer and his customers dont like him, why should they keep him?

[AndaliteBandit]

Its not about "think and act like I do" its about opposing the moonbat nonsense these so-called places of education are dispensing

Shouldn't the free market sort all of that out? If these places of higher learning are truly dispensing "moonbat nonsense" instead of a proper education, then eventually enough people will just stop going to them, right?

[Endus]

That is your opinion.

What's the direct personal insult, then?

And bear in mind that expressing discontent/dislike for a nation doesn't "insult" anyone personally.

It's pretty amazing that your entire argument is predicated on a complete failure to understand the basic civics concepts behind the teacher's lesson.