Blizzard nerfing aoe without considering ST?

[Krille]

Exactly, see what's wrong here? Havocs should have the absolute lowest single target damage out of all the classes and specs in the game yet they're in the upper middle of the pack. Holy shit some people are so entitled.

You seriously think the "DH kit is packed"? ROFL. You know fucking nothing about hte other melees in that case. We bring a SHIT cd and no survivability at all. Warriors bring fucking aoe hp increase and tons of survivability. There's nothing a DH can do to take less dmg because the only defensive CD you got is used to deal that ST dps that you think is so fucking op. Just get outta here, you're clueless.

[Deleted]

Exactly, see what's wrong here? Havocs should have the absolute lowest single target damage out of all the classes and specs in the game yet they're in the upper middle of the pack. Holy shit some people are so entitled.

You actually really don't have any idea what you are talking about :P

[ayvanas]

personally and this is just my opinion i think its unfair to say that a spec should hv his ST as a weakness. In every single boss fight the only thing that u are absolutly sure is that at some point there will be a boss. i would say that every spec should hv a decent ST dmg. i do agree that the AoE burst of DH's was way to high and needed the nerf. i dont think that they should be hammered in ST because they are really good at clearing trash.

[goriander]

You seriously think the "DH kit is packed"? ROFL. You know fucking nothing about hte other melees in that case. We bring a SHIT cd and no survivability at all. Warriors bring fucking aoe hp increase and tons of survivability. There's nothing a DH can do to take less dmg because the only defensive CD you got is used to deal that ST dps that you think is so fucking op. Just get outta here, you're clueless.

Are you trolling at this point or are you being serious? I honestly can't tell.

Yeah, warriors do have commanding shout but what raid cooldowns do other dps specs have anymore? Feral with roar? Big deal. DHs having a raid cooldown is a clear strength even though your friend tried to pass it off as a weakness.

I have 5+ days /played on every class but priest and mage so I know how the game works and what I'm talking about. It's becoming clear to me that it's a waste of time arguing with you. You're either so biased towards DH that you're becoming delusional and can't see and think objectively or you're just looking for attention. Let me write this out for you one last time: demon hunter needed these nerfs and will be futher tuned down later on and you can't do anything about it even if you cry and rage on the forums. Blizzard knows what they're doing and why they're doing it. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's bad balancing.

personally and this is just my opinion i think its unfair to say that a spec should hv his ST as a weakness. In every single boss fight the only thing that u are absolutly sure is that at some point there will be a boss. i would say that every spec should hv a decent ST dmg. i do agree that the AoE burst of DH's was way to high and needed the nerf. i dont think that they should be hammered in ST because they are really good at clearing trash.

Then DH aoe needs to be brought down to 350-400k. You're not supposed to have both the best aoe in the game and competitive single target dps. Please tell me which spec is more deserving to have the lowest simulated single target dps if it isn't havoc? That's right, you can't think of a single good reason for any other spec to have this spot. DH has everything else in their kit, all they need now is the lowest single target damage and they'll be balanced.

[mitre27]

Buff felblade, make it chaos damage and that would help a bit.

[Deleted]

Are you trolling at this point or are you being serious? I honestly can't tell.

Yeah, warriors do have commanding shout but what raid cooldowns do other dps specs have anymore? Feral with roar? Big deal. DHs having a raid cooldown is a clear strength even though your friend tried to pass it off as a weakness.

I have 5+ days /played on every class but priest and mage so I know how the game works and what I'm talking about. It's becoming clear to me that it's a waste of time arguing with you. You're either so biased towards DH that you're becoming delusional and can't see and think objectively or you're just looking for attention. Let me write this out for you one last time: demon hunter needed these nerfs and will be futher tuned down later on and you can't do anything about it even if you cry and rage on the forums. Blizzard knows what they're doing and why they're doing it. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's bad balancing.



Then DH aoe needs to be brought down to 350-400k. You're not supposed to have both the best aoe in the game and competitive single target dps. Please tell me which spec is more deserving to have the lowest simulated single target dps if it isn't havoc? That's right, you can't think of a single good reason for any other spec to have this spot. DH has everything else in their kit, all they need now is the lowest single target damage and they'll be balanced.

Their single target is good, their aoe is strong , and it needed nerf , but everyone says that they should be the weakest ST class ingame because it's the stupidest idea I have ever heard in wow.
Actually, Dh should never ever do the less dmg from all classes. It has only 2 specs.
Tanking is not that big deal since most of the guilds don't care about what kind of tanks they have if they are skilled. So if we don't count the guild race and a few others , tank diveristy nearly equal.
Havoc on the other hand should be a better dps to make the class more popular, for example: lot of ppl choose a main to help his guild in raiding. I'm always was a Dk since panda, because it has good single target and aoe dmg. Every class has weaker fights but still. A lot less ppl would chose a class that actually deals the less dmg from all dps specs. Warrior-Mage-Warlock they all have 2-3-3 dps specs so they can decide what they want if one spec is weak.
Demon Hunters has no such luxory. And it would be a bad decision from blizz that for their wow saving expansion they create the weakest class ingame.
And still no one argues about how windwalker monks doing....

And I can think a lot of other specs that should do the less dmg

[ayvanas]

Are you trolling at this point or are you being serious? I honestly can't tell.

Yeah, warriors do have commanding shout but what raid cooldowns do other dps specs have anymore? Feral with roar? Big deal. DHs having a raid cooldown is a clear strength even though your friend tried to pass it off as a weakness.

I have 5+ days /played on every class but priest and mage so I know how the game works and what I'm talking about. It's becoming clear to me that it's a waste of time arguing with you. You're either so biased towards DH that you're becoming delusional and can't see and think objectively or you're just looking for attention. Let me write this out for you one last time: demon hunter needed these nerfs and will be futher tuned down later on and you can't do anything about it even if you cry and rage on the forums. Blizzard knows what they're doing and why they're doing it. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it's bad balancing.



Then DH aoe needs to be brought down to 350-400k. You're not supposed to have both the best aoe in the game and competitive single target dps. Please tell me which spec is more deserving to have the lowest simulated single target dps if it isn't havoc? That's right, you can't think of a single good reason for any other spec to have this spot. DH has everything else in their kit, all they need now is the lowest single target damage and they'll be balanced.

DH's doesnt hv everything in they're kit, they bring jack shit to the raid and hv 1 shitty defensive. if anything sneezes in they're general direction they are dead. Monks have as good mobility and they're AoE is fairly close to DH's. Single target they are stronger by a long shot. Yeah DH's aoe needed the hammer, no one dissagres on that. was ridiculous and needed not much thinking to pull of. fel barrage was non sense. tbh was expecting to see eye beam being hammered and not balanced blades but oh well. i dont think u can say that dh's shouldn't be competitive in ST when they dont hv a diferent spec to roll into. they should be at least decent in every aspect... its not like they hv another alternative than rerolling if that happens. but hey its just an opinion feel free to disagree with me

[Akachan]

Dont bother it's like talking to a fucking wall with this guy. The devs tweeted that the changes arent final and they are reviewing. Thats all that matters at this point.

[Deleted]

Exactly, see what's wrong here? Havocs should have the absolute lowest single target damage out of all the classes and specs in the game yet they're in the upper middle of the pack. Holy shit some people are so entitled.

No they really shouldnt as all 3 which are outdpsing havoc on st can also keep up with it in aoe...
While all 3 of them also have other specs which could specialise in either aoe or st.

I would like to hear your arguments for why havoc should be lowest dps, taking above into consideration, but then im already convinced it will be hypocrisy on your part...

[Deleted]

Then DH aoe needs to be brought down to 350-400k.

Earlier you tried to justify Outlaws being 3rd on single target by them doing a mere 600k on aoe. Now you saying that someone with 400k aoe should only be decent single target?
Double standards anyone?

[asdawsd]

Exactly, see what's wrong here? Havocs should have the absolute lowest single target damage out of all the classes and specs in the game yet they're in the upper middle of the pack. Holy shit some people are so entitled.

Do you have some IRL problems or what?

Daddy?

[Cymorìl]

For sure this nerf will be devastating in arenas where single target is much more needed and momentum often isn't a viable choice... This will be probably the fastest reroll I'll have. Luckily legion has just started...

[goriander]

Do you have some IRL problems or what?

Daddy?

No, you're pissed because your class was tuned into the right direction and I completely understand that. I mean who doesn't like topping the meters? I'd love for Blizz to make my aoe hit twice as hard and also up my single target dps by 50k. I'd be pissed as well after believing I'm a god walking among mere mortals in my raid when I'm doing 30% more damage than the next guy. Fact is that you aren't special, the class you play was just pushing out more damage than what was intended. You'll still be in the top 5 in most encounters so I don't understand why there are so many people whining about the nerf.

[mitre27]

I'm concerned about our 2-3 target cleave now honestly.

[Krille]

I'm concerned about our 2-3 target cleave now honestly.

Without bloodlet it's only fel rush, eye beam and fury, and i say only because neither of those 3 abilities are even close to the previous TG/Bloodlet cleave damage.

[asdawsd]

No, you're pissed because your class was tuned into the right direction and I completely understand that. I mean who doesn't like topping the meters? I'd love for Blizz to make my aoe hit twice as hard and also up my single target dps by 50k. I'd be pissed as well after believing I'm a god walking among mere mortals in my raid when I'm doing 30% more damage than the next guy. Fact is that you aren't special, the class you play was just pushing out more damage than what was intended. You'll still be in the top 5 in most encounters so I don't understand why there are so many people whining about the nerf.

says the guy who never played a DH. Also stop with false prophecies like top 5 or smt. Bloodlet / glavie is a huge ST nerf, They should at least buff chaos cleave dmg to compansate it.


People like you ( clueless ) were supporting the Armor penetration removal and Constant HS removal from warrior at Wotlks last patch then warrior dps fell down below tank dps, it had to be buffed after a depressing week or two. Exact same thing is happening right now, they will probably remove that bloodlet/glavie part or buff ST spells in a few weeks but we will have to be benched for raids, miss mythic+ dungeons or be a burden to carry if we somewhat get into one, just like frost DKs are currently.

got the point?

[Krille]

No, you're pissed because your class was tuned into the right direction and I completely understand that. I mean who doesn't like topping the meters? I'd love for Blizz to make my aoe hit twice as hard and also up my single target dps by 50k. I'd be pissed as well after believing I'm a god walking among mere mortals in my raid when I'm doing 30% more damage than the next guy. Fact is that you aren't special, the class you play was just pushing out more damage than what was intended. You'll still be in the top 5 in most encounters so I don't understand why there are so many people whining about the nerf.

It obviously wasnt the right direction if the devs feel they overdid it. Our sustained AOE was really not that special to start with, we had incredible (OP) burst AOE, nobody is disputing this. The only sustained AOE we have is basically Bloodlet cleave, blade dance and fel rush, everything else is on a 1 min CD. Without bloodlet that leaves a supernerfed blade dance (3% per nearby target instead of 10%) and a 20% dmg nerfed fel rush. That's not going to do over 400k dps sustained aoe. And at the same time our ST was hit hard by these changes so we will be the bottom 3 dps classes for ST as well. Serenity wont bring a DH if these changes stand, they were previously. Because we lost our niche AND single target damage. You're so blinded by your DH hate you're the one deluded here or you simply don't know how the class plays.

[goriander]

says the guy who never played a DH. Also stop with false prophecies like top 5 or smt. Bloodlet / glavie is a huge ST nerf, They should at least buff chaos cleave dmg to compansate it.


People like you ( clueless ) were supporting the Armor penetration removal and Constant HS removal from warrior at Wotlks last patch then warrior dps fell down below tank dps, it had to be buffed after a depressing week or two. Exact same thing is happening right now, they will probably remove that bloodlet/glavie part or buff ST spells in a few weeks but we will have to be benched for raids, miss mythic+ dungeons or be a burden to carry if we somewhat get into one, just like frost DKs are currently.

got the point?

I got good news for you: only two encounters in EN are pure single target and on mythic Ursoc becomes a cleave fight as well.

Just wait and see, havoc will stay at the top half of dps specs even after the nerfs. Instead of crying here about this injustice about havoc you should go and complain about the spriest nerf and the current state of DKs.

[Toffie]

I got good news for you: only two encounters in EN are pure single target and on mythic Ursoc becomes a cleave fight as well.

Just wait and see, havoc will stay at the top half of dps specs even after the nerfs. Instead of crying here about this injustice about havoc you should go and complain about the spriest nerf and the current state of DKs.

No we wont, what are you talking about?

[Krille]

No we wont, what are you talking about?

He don't realize our number 1 damage on cleave has been absolutely destroyed