Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Breccia]

You don't get to volunteer for such cases -- Clinton was a public defender and was appointed by a judge. You don't get to tell a judge no.

That's a good way to put it. But you know who said it better? Clinton herself. And she was talking about this case!

"When you're a lawyer you often don't have the choice as to who you will represent. And by the very nature of criminal law there will be those you represent you don't approve of. But, at least in our system, you have an obligation. And once I was appointed I fulfilled that obligation."



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she knew was guilty at that time?

Oh right. That shit's false, too.

Clinton also agreed to a plea deal (very common) to send him to jail for five years. So don't even try the "she freed him" bit. Yeah, five years for rape ain't hot.

[GennGreymane]

Ever heard of not volunteering ,to defend a rapist you know is guilty, before? (and then not laughing about it afterwards?)

Ill ask you again

ever heard of a defense attorney before?

[Blobfish]

That's a good way to put it. But you know who said it better? Clinton herself. And she was talking about this case!

"When you're a lawyer you often don't have the choice as to who you will represent. And by the very nature of criminal law there will be those you represent you don't approve of. But, at least in our system, you have an obligation. And once I was appointed I fulfilled that obligation."



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Oh right. That shit's false, too.

Clinton also agreed to a plea deal (very common) to send him to jail for five years. So don't even try the "she freed him" bit. Yeah, five years for rape ain't hot.

She looks stoned or on weird drugs.. probably due to sickness..look at her eyes

[LaserSharkDFB]

She looks stoned or on weird drugs.. probably due to sickness..look at her eyes

"OH SHIT THEY HAVE FACTS WHAT DO I DO UH UH UH hey her eyes look weird I BET SHE'S STONED"

[Breccia]

Oh dammit, I can't believe this one got past me.

Donald Trump refused to donate to his own alma mater when they were struggling fiscally in 2010.

Then they went bankrupt. Trump did zero.

Then they were sold to the Chinese. Trump did zero.

Tuition is $37k a year. Trump could have paid all at-the-time 146 students' complete tuition for $5 million dollars, which for his (cough) $10 billion worth is a lot like me giving a dollar to a homeless person. And he could have written it off as a tax deduction! Hell, for $15 million he could have bought the school outright, and had a legitimate school to run!

[alexw]

Bill Clintons ex mistress "Gennifer Flowers" will be sitting in the front row of the debate
with an invitation from Trumpy.

As Trumpy says ."If ya cant satisfy your man, how are you going to satisfy America"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...ate-attendance

Thanks for that. Its going to help Clinton quite a bit among women voters.

[Daerio]

Oh dammit, I can't believe this one got past me.

Donald Trump refused to donate to his own alma mater when they were struggling fiscally in 2010.

Then they went bankrupt. Trump did zero.

Then they were sold to the Chinese. Trump did zero.

This is pathetic, I don't see people bashing Clinton for not giving money to everyone who asks for it while she's getting bribes in the millions.

[LaserSharkDFB]

This is pathetic, I don't see people bashing Clinton for not giving money to everyone who asks for it while she's getting bribes in the millions.

Because she doesn't! Oh, wait, you're talking about the money that goes to her charity, right? That literally goes to people who need it? Instead of to pay off legal fines like someone else's charity?

You are bad at deflection.

[Breccia]

This is pathetic, I don't see people bashing Clinton for not giving money to everyone who asks for it while she's getting bribes in the millions.

Well, no, because the Clinton Foundation actually gives away money. You don't bash people for not giving away money when they actually fucking do it.

They spent over $75 million in charity work 2014 alone, to Trump Foundation's under $600,000. And Clinton gave over $3 million of her own money to that charity that same year, to Trump's...none.

And that "bribes" comment probably refers to donations to her Foundation, doesn't it? The Foundation she's donated millions of her own money to? Is she bribing herself? That's not how bribes work.

Admittedly Clinton doesn't seem to directly give money to Yale, but they're not collapsing and begging for her help, are they?

Over the last decade, the Clintons have given about 9.5% of their income to charity, as fully available in their open complete tax returns. That's three times the average of their tax bracket. Trump has not provably given even a single percent. He won't even donate to his charity -- he had to repay their illegal donation, but since 2008 that's it. And he founded it!

EDIT: Dammit, I lost the last two to LaserShark. He's got this, I'm gonna go watch some NFL.

[alexw]

Pursuant to the discussion of US right wing media and the relation with Trump earlier in this thread, I highly recommend to anyone interested in the topic to read a piece by Jackie Calmes of the Shorenstein Center at Harvard Kennedy.

“They Don’t Give a Damn about Governing” Conservative Media’s Influence on the Republican Party by Jackie Calmes

It is an excellent narrative history of the pathology and evolution of conservative media in the United States.

That's a really good article. I loved his bit near the end -

The unanimity among establishment Republicans – many of them conservatives by the definition of anyone but purists – that rightwing media has become a big problem for the party, and their readiness to talk about it, was something of a surprise to this reporter of three decades’ experience in Washington. Of the establishment Republicans among several dozen conservatives interviewed, nearly all were flummoxed about how to moderate the party. Most expressed despair. The common hope was that the ultimate 2016 nominee could and would speak truth to power – the power, that is, of conservative media and their allies in the well-heeled advocacy groups. “You have to have national leaders emerge that are willing to have a confrontation, a real confrontation,” said Matthew Dowd, the former Bush strategist. He cited Bill Clinton’s impact in helping push Democrats toward the center. “It took a national voice to do this,” Dowd said. “That’s what Republicans are going to need.”[134]

As one prominent Republican put it, on condition of anonymity: “2016 presents a possibility where if you have a strong leader that will stand up and instill some discipline down in the ranks, you could move the party center-right.” But who is that leader? This Republican, like others, named Bush, citing the candidate’s vow not to pander to the far right to get the nomination: “I think clearly Jeb is going into this fight with an eye on saying ‘Enough of the nonsense. Stop it.’”[135] Said another well known Republican, “I’m not sure he can win, but I’m very sure someone has to carry that message.”

[Breccia]

Eh fuck it, one last one for the road.

Compared to 2012:
-- Trump has a lower proportion of the white vote than Romney, by 50 percent compared to 59
-- Trump has a higher proportion of the black vote, but it's seven percent compared to six
-- Trump has a lower proportion of the Hispanic vote, by 18 percent compared to 27

Now I'm guessing that's because of Johnson and Stein, who didn't have parallels in 2012 (at least, not this strong). But I'm fairly sure Johnson and Stein are on the 50 ballots, so it's at least somewhat relevant.

[DeadmanWalking]

Trumpy will make the USA more United.

Trumpy makes sense in his speech to minorities 2 days ago

Trumpy is Hope. Otherwise with Clinton, its the Status Quo or worse

You never stopped to wonder how much Trump paid him to make these statements? If you know who Don King is you would see that he isn't exactly a paragon of his community.

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Ever heard of not volunteering ,to defend a rapist you know is guilty, before? (and then not laughing about it afterwards?)

She didn't volunteer she was a public defender and assigned the case, she didn't have a choice. She could be disbarred for refusing. In fact there is record of her asking her friends for advice because she didn't want to do it and was torn up about the situation, to which they advised her that unless she wanted to throw her career away she had to do her part in a fair trial even if you know your client is guilty. That is how America works, you have the right to an attorney even if you can't afford one.

I know that this story sounds really good if you hate Hillary but you should google shit before you run around spreading ignorance. That is the problem with people like you, you see made up shit on the Internet and you immediately acknowledge it as a fact without researching it and all you end up doing it dumbing down society and bringing your entire agenda into question due to how little you care about facts.

Next time you see something like this try and do a simple google search before you grab your megaphone and start spreading lies that were created in a shit post focused political party think tank.

[Merkava]

She didn't volunteer she was a public defender and assigned the case, she didn't have a choice. She could be disbarred for refusing. In fact there is record of her asking her friends for advice because she didn't want to do it and was torn up about the situation, to which they advised her that unless she wanted to throw her career away she had to do her part in a fair trial even if you know your client is guilty. That is how America works, you have the right to an attorney even if you can't afford one..

Hillary Clinton was not a public defender. She ran a legal aid clinic in Arkansas. The case was originally assigned to a publc defender. The circumstances under which Clinton was assigned the case are disputed.

[PACOX]

Imagine if Clinton invited Trump's ex-wives...

[Daerio]

Imagine if Clinton invited Trump's ex-wives...

And then Trump starts inviting all of Bill Clinton's mistresses?

Surely you can recognize which one looks worse.

[Breccia]

The circumstances under which Clinton was assigned the case are disputed.

Disputed by who? Certainly not by the prosecutor. He called this attack "ridiculous" live on CNN. There is actually just as much evidence that she tried to get out of the case, as to be assigned in the first place -- i.e. someone said something that one time, and that's it.

[Merkava]

Disputed by who? Certainly not by the prosecutor. He called this attack "ridiculous" live on CNN. There is actually just as much evidence that she tried to get out of the case, as to be assigned in the first place -- i.e. someone said something that one time, and that's it.

Read about it here Hillary Clinton Speaks About Defense of Child Rapist

Clinton was not a public defender at the time. She didn't work for the public defenders office. She was a Law Professor at the University of Arkansas who founded a legal aid clinic at the University. She was not a criminal lawyer. By her own admission she was not at the time experienced in criminal cases.

Edit - Let's be absolutely clear. I'm not accusing Clinton of anything more unsavory than fudging the truth. If you want to believe DeadManWalking, then you have to believe that a judge compelled a law professor, someone with very little criminal experience, under threat of disbarment, to defend a rapist simply because he had refused a public defender on the grounds of "he demanded a female attorney." I think it's easier to believe that Hillary didn't refuse it because she wanted to make a name for herself in an area that she previously didn't have experience, and she was, admittedly fascinated by the case.

[Breccia]

I think it's easier to believe that Hillary didn't refuse it because she wanted to make a name for herself in an area that she previously didn't have experience, and she was, admittedly fascinated by the case.

Taylor, 41, figured a jury would be less hostile to a rape defendant represented by a woman, according to one of his friends. Cummings agreed to the request, scanned the list of available female attorneys (there were only a half dozen in the county at the time) and assigned Rodham, who had virtually no experience in criminal litigation.

“She worked a lot of nights on it,” said Van Gearhart, her teaching assistant at the law clinic in 1975. “I remember her doing that because she wanted to show that she was willing to take court appointments, hoping that the bar would help us in getting established as a clinic.”

People who were there at the time trump what you think would be easier to believe. I'd say "sorry" but I'm really not -- you cited a conservative for-profit online blog to refute Snopes and Politifact.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Why do people even try to debate with @Breccia when breccia just has all the info?

Cause they're blindly and hopelessly partisan. They worship Trump and think Hillary is a lizard person. And they just feel it's true, so it is true. Feels before reals. Feels is what gives a conservative their power. It's binds them and penetrates them.

[Zan15]

And then Trump starts inviting all of Bill Clinton's mistresses?

Surely you can recognize which one looks worse.

you mean like his ex wife that accused him of rape

or knocking up one while married to another?