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    Well yeah most of us have died 2000+ times and returned to life. WoW with a perma-death system would set things into perspective of how tough we really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yousef View Post
    I'm amazed, he literally explains it in the same post, Aegwynn didn't kill Sargeras when she killed his avatar in Northrend, these are avatars and not the actual old gods, if they were dead then Azeroth would be in ruins just like Pandaria was with the whole sha thing, GO READ SOME LORE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbugged View Post
    Well yeah most of us have died 2000+ times and returned to life. WoW with a perma-death system would set things into perspective of how tough we really are.
    We would have all died to murlocs in Elwynn Forest and never accomplished anything more than being farmers with an adventurous side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yousef View Post
    I'm amazed, he literally explains it in the same post, Aegwynn didn't kill Sargeras when she killed his avatar in Northrend, these are avatars and not the actual old gods, if they were dead then Azeroth would be in ruins just like Pandaria was with the whole sha thing, GO READ SOME LORE.
    It was confirmed at a blizzcon that Cthun dying and Yogg-Saron dying set off the Cataclysm. Go read some lore.....

  5. #25
    Don't most of the major lore victories/defeats usually get credited to someone else, and we're just the "and some adventurers" who "helped some" or whatever?

    I know the end of expansion bosses almost always have someone there with us doing something or another so they can be the focus of the cutscenes.

  6. #26
    Oficially, we are adventurers/champions, who asisted heroes or banded together to deal with some threat.
    We do exist in official lore, just not as solo entities aka your character.
    Still, we are being asked to prove ourselves (7.1 Odyn's trial, really, bro? Maybe we should wack your head more, no more fricking trials of any kind!), again and again, and everyone thinks we should collect their poop for them. We are not thought to be gods of any kind or meaning.
    This should change, because the same crap repeats from expansion to expansion. WoD is fully understandable, and Pandaria to an extent, but still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yousef View Post
    I'm amazed, he literally explains it in the same post, Aegwynn didn't kill Sargeras when she killed his avatar in Northrend, these are avatars and not the actual old gods, if they were dead then Azeroth would be in ruins just like Pandaria was with the whole sha thing, GO READ SOME LORE.
    You tell people to read some lore, but you don't realize Sargeras was never an old god, he was a titan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbugged View Post
    Well yeah most of us have died 2000+ times and returned to life. WoW with a perma-death system would set things into perspective of how tough we really are.
    Everyone would play rogue and dungeon queues would list average time in decades
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    When and where have we killed a titan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomgpally View Post
    You tell people to read some lore, but you don't realize Sargeras was never an old god, he was a titan...
    I never said Sargeras was an old god, that was an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oraxin View Post
    Old Gods - You cant kill an old god. What we fight in game is mere sliver of the true form of what they are. Killing them would kill Azeroth. The only exception is ysaraaj but it was only a heart.
    c'thun and yogi are pretty much dead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yousef View Post
    I'm amazed, he literally explains it in the same post, Aegwynn didn't kill Sargeras when she killed his avatar in Northrend, these are avatars and not the actual old gods, if they were dead then Azeroth would be in ruins just like Pandaria was with the whole sha thing, GO READ SOME LORE.
    you are either not update on lore or blinded by headcanon.
    there is only 1 old got left on Azeroth. the other 3 are dead.
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    Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yousef View Post
    I'm amazed, he literally explains it in the same post, Aegwynn didn't kill Sargeras when she killed his avatar in Northrend, these are avatars and not the actual old gods, if they were dead then Azeroth would be in ruins just like Pandaria was with the whole sha thing, GO READ SOME LORE.
    no, they were not "avatars" they were the real ones and we killed them.
    azeroth gets damaged if they get teared out of the planet like aman'thul did with y'shaarj, you can kill them, but not remove them, nor was pandaria in ruins ever because of the curse, until the alliance and horde found the land and garrosh threw the heart into the pools.


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  13. #33
    I don't think that's how divinity works.
    You are just a legend. Its very common in Fantasy for one character to be so vaunted that they tackle every threat and come out unscarred from it.
    Its basically the basis for characters like Drizzt or even a character like James Bond outside of Fantasy.
    Its just compelling narrative to be a hero.
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  14. #34
    umm no. We havent killed any titans. Beating kings and Emperors and warchiefs..ect..ect isnt god like. They are mortal. most of those who have powers well beyond a mortal. We havent beaten alone.

    old gods:

    C'Thun was the only one we brought down alone, because he built all of his defenses to fight off the dragons, not us. So when it came down to it, he had little power to stop us because he was so focused on the dragons.

    Yogg'saron: The Titan Keepers helped us beat him

    Y'Shaarj: His power was drained into a mortal vessel, Garrosh, and we beat him because we had magical equipment empowered by a dragon aspect.

    Aspects:

    Malygo, Deathwing: The aspects helped us defeat them. We didnt do it alone.

    Demigods:

    Not hard. Grom killed Cenarius once. it doesn't take god like powers to defeat a demi god.

    Elemental Lords:

    Ragnaros: Cenarius, Malfurion and Hamuul helped us beat him

    Al'akir: We did beat on our own.

    Legion commanders: The legion individually is easy to defeat. The reason why the legion conquers worlds is because they are numerous and immortal. The only way to save the world from them is to fight them back enough, so someone/something of immense power can close their gate way to prevent them from returning.

    Any demon of considerable power, Archimonde, Kil'jaeden..ect..ect..Has been defeated by the help of someone stronger. Khadgar, Kalecgos, what have you.

    Except for Al'akir who, we did beat at full power as far as im aware, everyone else above mortal power we had help to defeat.
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  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by pitar99a View Post
    This is a very obvious statement but I'd like us to roleplay for a moment and imagine that all of our actions are carefully documented in the game's lore. You have slain Titans, Old Gods, Demigods, Kings, Emperors, Lords, Warchiefs, Legion Commanders, Dragon Aspects, Elemental Lords, EVERYTHING dies by your hands, zero exceptions, we could boldly claim that you are ascending beyond God status. Khadgar and a few other stooges receive insane credit instead and are widely recognized as the sole saviours of Azeroth for basically sending YOU to dispose of all the threats. During your monumental and glorious crusade of laying waste to all the corruption on Azeroth you come across Gizzlix Wrenchinthebutt the goblin apprentice Engineer from a mudflat island, he dropped the keys to his rusty barely working shredder in a piece of boar poopoo, he glances at you, your armor crafted from materials more expensive than flawless diamonds, refined by the absolute best blacksmiths to have ever lived, alien weapons bursting with energy and hatred created only for a selected few, riding an exotic mount that even a King would be severely jealous of, Gizzlix Wrenchinthebutt is obviously going to make you pick his shredder keys from the boar poop. You do so without question.
    before wod garrison and the whole commander thing, the player character were nothing more than random troops who assisted the hero (thrall, varian, malfurion etc) into it's quest to slay a powerfull foe; a great example is onyxia, we have farmed (and some still farm her, damn mount) for years but in lore she was killed by varian.

    So in lore all the bosses we have faced before wod were always killed by some named hero no by us; post wod the only boss with a god-like power was archimonde and i think the kill is claimed by Khadgar with the assistance of Yrael, Grom and the players.

    In legion thing have been flushed down the drains in one quest you are the head of a powerful faction with many npc under your command in another you are the peon who's gonna kick few dying fishes into the water.
    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    Obviously this issue doesn't affect me however unlike some raiders I don't see the point in taking satisfaction in this injustice, it's wrong, just because it doesn't hurt me doesn't stop it being wrong, the player base should stand together when Blizzard do stupid shit like this not laugh at the ones being victimised.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Humbugged View Post
    Well yeah most of us have died 2000+ times and returned to life. WoW with a perma-death system would set things into perspective of how tough we really are.
    That is a really good point and does indeed show how much of a God the player character is.

    On topic, the Player Character is simply an unknown champion, among a really big group of above-average unknown champions, that defeat world threats alongside (perhaps even a step backwards) the big Lore characters.

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