1. #1

    Need advice for new build

    This is what I was looking at
    pc part picker com/list/2tK74C (can't post links sorry please remove spaces)

    Budget - $1500
    Resolution - 1080
    Games / Settings Desired - WoW on Ultra, Overwatch, Black Desert, Movies etc.
    Any other intensive software or special things you do (Frequent video encoding, 3D modeling, etc) - Looking to stream
    Country - USA
    Parts that can be reused - None
    Do you need an OS? Yes
    Do you need peripherals (e.g. monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc)? Possibly a new monitor

    I was also looking at the MSI 1070 and mobo.

    Thanks for your time

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    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($328.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($118.49 @ OutletPC)
    Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($60.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ B&H)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING Video Card ($404.98 @ Newegg)
    Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
    Monitor: Dell U2515H 25.0" 60Hz Monitor ($322.99 @ Amazon)
    Total: $1566.28
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-24 19:24 EDT-0400

    This is slightly above budget but it also includes a nice monitor.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($328.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    CPU Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($14.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($118.49 @ OutletPC)
    Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($60.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ B&H)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING Video Card ($404.98 @ Newegg)
    Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
    Monitor: Dell U2515H 25.0" 60Hz Monitor ($322.99 @ Amazon)
    Total: $1566.28
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-24 19:24 EDT-0400

    This is slightly above budget but it also includes a nice monitor.
    i7 without an ability to overclock it properly is a waste, 25 inch 1440p monitor is pointless, can go on but wont, this build is bad.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($328.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    CPU Cooler: Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 POWER 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Extreme3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($101.98 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING Video Card ($404.98 @ Newegg)
    Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
    Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
    Monitor: Dell S2715H 27.0" 60Hz Monitor ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
    Other: Windows 10 - Kinguin.net ($28.23)
    Total: $1491.11
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-24 19:38 EDT-0400
    R5 5600X | Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme | MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600/CL16 | MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X | Corsair RM650x | Cooler Master HAF X | Logitech G400s | DREVO Excalibur 84 | Kingston HyperX Cloud II | BenQ XL2411T + LG 24MK430H-B

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    No please enlighten us to why this build is bad.

    And please, also elaborate on your statements but the monitor and the CPU.

  5. #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    From what I can tell the cooler is somewhat cheap(not terrible though). I don't think he was saying the CPU itself was bad, just the cooler's ability to allow overclocking. If he was talking about another part then idk what he's on about. There's nothing wrong with the monitor and 1440p on 25inch at the distance we sit is most assuredly not pointless.
    Yeah, he is making it sound like I just threw together some random hardware. The review for the cooler are decent enough and the cooler is usually priced quite a bit higher and the OP is not specifically requesting an overclocking 'monster'. The specific CPU also turbos 4.2GHz right out of the box and doesn't need a huge amount of cooling power to gain even more.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    I just threw together some random hardware
    That does look a lot like that though. The only point of an overclockable processor is getting a serious gain through overclocking, this cooler wont allow that. Also, 4.2Ghz is maximum turbo boost in a single core mode, in multicore mode the maximum turbo clock is 4.0Ghz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    There's nothing wrong with the monitor and 1440p on 25inch at the distance we sit is most assuredly not pointless.
    Absolutely pointless, especially for games. You are putting a huge load onto your videocard (GTX 1070 wont get you playable FPS in most situations on Ultra in 1440p) and getting no picture quality increase in return. Not to mention that 25 inch is too small for MMOs even with 1080p.
    R5 5600X | Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme | MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600/CL16 | MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X | Corsair RM650x | Cooler Master HAF X | Logitech G400s | DREVO Excalibur 84 | Kingston HyperX Cloud II | BenQ XL2411T + LG 24MK430H-B

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    Please go through my 'random' build and make valid arguments as to why it's bad or worse than what you present. Saying it's bad doesn't make it bad, again please elaborate.

    As for the random crap you're trying to convince us about 25" 2560x1440, please educate yourself before throwing around random crap. A higher resolution can absolute return a better quality and experience, regardless of being 25" or 27". Secondly, 27" for a 1920x1080 is absolutely not the optimal ratio.

    25" @2560x1440 is actually quite close to the perfect ratio:







    27" @1920x1080 looks terrible, not an opinion.

    I'm cool with suggesting a more expensive cooler for the CPU if you can show me it won't allow it to run at reasonable temperatures and/or overclock.

    As for GPU power, the higher resolution requires 1.77 more but not all games are that GPU dependent, like WoW for example and besides that, I think you underestimate the GTX 1070's power for a 2560x1440 resolution.

  8. #8
    I appreciate the suggestions thanks!

    I'm looking for a 27" monitor most likely. So the question is 1920x1080 or 2560x1440?
    Last edited by Zavo; 2016-09-25 at 09:12 AM. Reason: monitor

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    27" @1920x1080 looks terrible, not an opinion.

    I'm cool with suggesting a more expensive cooler for the CPU if you can show me it won't allow it to run at reasonable temperatures and/or overclock.

    As for GPU power, the higher resolution requires 1.77 more but not all games are that GPU dependent, like WoW for example and besides that, I think you underestimate the GTX 1070's power for a 2560x1440 resolution.
    27 inch 1080p is the only option given the budget. 27 inch is a perfect size for MMOs regardless of resolution, I'm not in any way opposed to fitting a 27inch 1440p display here but it will require a) stretching the budget b) dropping Ultra.

    For the cooler: with an i7 you're looking at 30-35 idle and 65-70 degrees without overclock using most 120mm fan coolers (with a few exceptions like new Macho or NH-U12S). With overclock it's easily 80+ on load which is unacceptable, not to mention that performance 120mm coolers are very loud.

    I'm not in anyway underestimating the power of GTX 1070 as I own that myself, but it's not magic: all postprocessing options on higher resoltions drop FPS very severely. WoW is actually very taxing on GPU with Ultra settings on higher resolutions since Legion dropped, but you can definely comfortably run some optimized games (most FPS like Overwatch for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zavo View Post
    I appreciate the suggestions thanks!

    I'm looking for a 27" monitor most likely. So the question is 1920x1080 or 2560x1440?
    It's a hard choice because 27inch 1440p is honestly better but probably means you will have to drop postprocessing settings for some games, also requires a little budget stretching ($100 max I think is enough).
    R5 5600X | Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme | MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600/CL16 | MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X | Corsair RM650x | Cooler Master HAF X | Logitech G400s | DREVO Excalibur 84 | Kingston HyperX Cloud II | BenQ XL2411T + LG 24MK430H-B

  10. #10
    If I could stretch the budget to say $1750 is there much you would change in the build? (this is including the monitor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    If you get 1080p you will be seriously disappointed.
    Agreed, I could never go back. I exaggerate a little but looking at my 1080p monitor next to my 1440p monitor it almost looks pixelated.
    @Zavo, I'm using the Dell 25" in the build suggestion, it's absolutely fine for MMO games and it's an excellent monitor. I'm using it with a GTX 970.

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    I'd still recommend the Dell above, and yes I've owned both the 25" and the 27" and I believe you're getting better overall experience, anyways he are some small changes:

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($328.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($118.49 @ OutletPC)
    Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($60.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ B&H)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING Video Card ($404.98 @ Newegg)
    Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
    Monitor: BenQ GW2765HT 27.0" 60Hz Monitor ($342.99 @ Best Buy)
    Total: $1621.28
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-25 12:38 EDT-0400

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Zavo View Post
    If I could stretch the budget to say $1750 is there much you would change in the build? (this is including the monitor)
    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($328.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    CPU Cooler: Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 POWER 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($123.98 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
    Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($68.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING Video Card ($404.98 @ Newegg)
    Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
    Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
    Monitor: Asus PB278Q 27.0" 60Hz Monitor ($374.99 @ Best Buy)
    Other: Windows 10 - Kinguin.net ($28.23)
    Total: $1678.11
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-25 15:29 EDT-0400

    No major changes except the monitor, just bumped the motherboard a little bit.
    R5 5600X | Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme | MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600/CL16 | MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X | Corsair RM650x | Cooler Master HAF X | Logitech G400s | DREVO Excalibur 84 | Kingston HyperX Cloud II | BenQ XL2411T + LG 24MK430H-B

  13. #13
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    Most people are fine with criticism, but usually not when you present in a passive aggressive manner like you did, Thunderball. Then proceed to not back up your claim, definitely something I would keep in mind if I were asking you for advice.

    For example, if I were to critique your build, I'd say ask the following;

    Why are you paying an extra $2 for the RAM when there is no difference other than potentially harder to fit RAM/CPU heatsink?

    What's your reasoning for picking the more expensive Asus monitor?

    What is the more expensive Asrock motherboard bringing to the table?

    Why are picking a PSU that's about $50 more expensive? When half the price gets you a modular Seasonic PSU.

    The storage setup is, of course, some personal preference, but I prefer a bigger SSD and then add storage if you need.

    I haven't looked up details on the cooler but I believe it's pretty good for $50.

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    Most people are fine with criticism, but usually not when you present in a passive aggressive manner like you did, Thunderball. Then proceed to not back up your claim, definitely something I would keep in mind if I were asking you for advice.

    For example, if I were to critique your build, I'd say ask the following;

    Why are you paying an extra $2 for the RAM when there is no difference other than potentially harder to fit RAM/CPU heatsink?

    What's your reasoning for picking the more expensive Asus monitor?

    What is the more expensive Asrock motherboard bringing to the table?

    Why are picking a PSU that's about $50 more expensive? When half the price gets you a modular Seasonic PSU.

    The storage setup is, of course, some personal preference, but I prefer a bigger SSD and then add storage if you need.

    I haven't looked up details on the cooler but I believe it's pretty good for $50.
    What kind of backing up do you need? Everything that is brought up in this thread is common knowledge. I'll answer all of your questions one by one:

    1. There is a world of difference when your XMP profile doesnt work which is a very common issue with cheaper RAM, such as one you linked. You can say that memory settings can be set manually but most people have no idea how to do that. In a nutshell, you are potentially buying a DDR4-2133 RAM. Heatsink height problem is quite a popular one, but that doesnt apply here as motherboard has a lot of space between socket and memory slots and also cooler allows for flexible fan placement. If you're unsure you have the option to go with either Crucial Ballistix LT or Corsair Vengeance LPX.
    2. BenQ are known to have color scheme problems out of the box, it can be solved but most people simply have no idea how to properly calibrate a monitor. ASUS monitors on the other have are known to work well out the box.
    3. Better CPU power design and better audio codec implementation. It's just better suited for overclocking and it's not like it's that much expensive.
    4. This Seasonic is a good PSU but not good enough for an overclocking system.
    5. Can easily be adjusted, but a streamer would obviously need more storage space, which is impractical to have on SSD.
    R5 5600X | Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme | MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600/CL16 | MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X | Corsair RM650x | Cooler Master HAF X | Logitech G400s | DREVO Excalibur 84 | Kingston HyperX Cloud II | BenQ XL2411T + LG 24MK430H-B

  15. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    What kind of backing up do you need? Everything that is brought up in this thread is common knowledge. I'll answer all of your questions one by one:

    1. There is a world of difference when your XMP profile doesnt work which is a very common issue with cheaper RAM, such as one you linked. You can say that memory settings can be set manually but most people have no idea how to do that. In a nutshell, you are potentially buying a DDR4-2133 RAM. Heatsink height problem is quite a popular one, but that doesnt apply here as motherboard has a lot of space between socket and memory slots and also cooler allows for flexible fan placement. If you're unsure you have the option to go with either Crucial Ballistix LT or Corsair Vengeance LPX.
    2. BenQ are known to have color scheme problems out of the box, it can be solved but most people simply have no idea how to properly calibrate a monitor. ASUS monitors on the other have are known to work well out the box.
    3. Better CPU power design and better audio codec implementation. It's just better suited for overclocking and it's not like it's that much expensive.
    4. This Seasonic is a good PSU but not good enough for an overclocking system.
    5. Can easily be adjusted, but a streamer would obviously need more storage space, which is impractical to have on SSD.
    When I'm asking you to back up your claims I'm referring to your claim about my build being bad, it being bad is not 'common knowledge'

    1. You're reaching for stuff that isn't there! The RAM I picked isn't 'cheap' RAM and thinking they will have XMP profile issues is reaching like crazy. I've built systems for many years with both expensive and cheap RAM (from reputable manufacturers) and I've never ever had an issue with the XMP profile, although I know it can happen.

    2. General claim/statement, you have to look at each specific monitor. I've owned both the Dell, BenQ and Asus and I can tell you it had no issues whatsoever.

    3. You're right it's only another $20 extra, and only another $50 for the PSU, and only another $2 for the RAM, and only another $33 for the monitor, and only another $15 for the case.

    As for the specifics on the motherboard, the majority of all the $100+ boards are super close in actual performance and stability when it comes to overclocking on current and previous generation. The Audio implementation is just fine with the same codec on both. If you wanna get technical, the Intel NIC is regarded as the better NIC in comparison with the gaming marketed Killer NIC.

    The Gigabyte comes with 10 power phases and the MSI board has 11 power phases, now a number of phases isn't necessarily a sign of quality but the components on both boards are fine.

    4. It's absolutely good enough for the above system, again you're pulling claims out of thin air. The GPU draws 152W at MAXIMUM load!

    5. Why do 'they' obviously need more storage? And even if that's the case you just simply add an HDD, it's not exactly rocket science.

    So I still haven't seen any evidence as to why my build suggestion was or is bad, other than "it's common knowledge".

  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Notarget View Post
    When I'm asking you to back up your claims I'm referring to your claim about my build being bad, it being bad is not 'common knowledge'

    1. You're reaching for stuff that isn't there! The RAM I picked isn't 'cheap' RAM and thinking they will have XMP profile issues is reaching like crazy. I've built systems for many years with both expensive and cheap RAM (from reputable manufacturers) and I've never ever had an issue with the XMP profile, although I know it can happen.

    2. General claim/statement, you have to look at each specific monitor. I've owned both the Dell, BenQ and Asus and I can tell you it had no issues whatsoever.

    3. You're right it's only another $20 extra, and only another $50 for the PSU, and only another $2 for the RAM, and only another $33 for the monitor, and only another $15 for the case.

    As for the specifics on the motherboard, the majority of all the $100+ boards are super close in actual performance and stability when it comes to overclocking on current and previous generation. The Audio implementation is just fine with the same codec on both. If you wanna get technical, the Intel NIC is regarded as the better NIC in comparison with the gaming marketed Killer NIC.

    The Gigabyte comes with 10 power phases and the MSI board has 11 power phases, now a number of phases isn't necessarily a sign of quality but the components on both boards are fine.

    4. It's absolutely good enough for the above system, again you're pulling claims out of thin air. The GPU draws 152W at MAXIMUM load!

    5. Why do 'they' obviously need more storage? And even if that's the case you just simply add an HDD, it's not exactly rocket science.

    So I still haven't seen any evidence as to why my build suggestion was or is bad, other than "it's common knowledge".
    I'm sorry but if you're trying to save on something that shouldnt in any way be saved on and spending on something that can and should be saved on. This qualifies for a bad build.

    1. Not reaching in any way. It's the foremost thing that makes cheap RAM actually cheap - skipping certification to get to the motherboard manufacturer QVL list. This doesnt guarantee that XMP profile wont work on a specific motherboard, but it's pretty common.

    2. True for most BenQ I've seen other than RL and BL series lately.

    3. Performance I agree, overclocking stability: cant agree here, there is a bunch of individual issues even the most reputable manufacturers have, and those are especially true for low price boards (XMP profile problems on ASUS, Vdroop on MSI, bad software on ASRock, BIOS problems on Gigabyte, etc). Audio codec doesnt matter, it's implementation is lacking on MSI boards. ASUS and ASRock are absolute leaders here, followed by Gigabyte on higher tier boards. I agree on Killer comparison but it's not actually performance (which is better with Killer NIC) but driver issues that Killer NIC have. Number of phases itself doesnt tell you anything, but this MSI board does have CPU voltage problems.

    4. I'm not saying the power output is not enough, I'm saying the quality of it is not enough.

    5. Streamers will want to save their footage to the disk to edit/reupload to another service. It's immediately needed as opposed to a bigger SSD, that is never needed unless you're working with professional applications.
    Last edited by Thunderball; 2016-09-26 at 09:19 PM.
    R5 5600X | Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme | MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk | 16GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600/CL16 | MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X | Corsair RM650x | Cooler Master HAF X | Logitech G400s | DREVO Excalibur 84 | Kingston HyperX Cloud II | BenQ XL2411T + LG 24MK430H-B

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    That does look a lot like that though. The only point of an overclockable processor is getting a serious gain through overclocking, this cooler wont allow that. Also, 4.2Ghz is maximum turbo boost in a single core mode, in multicore mode the maximum turbo clock is 4.0Ghz.

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    Absolutely pointless, especially for games. You are putting a huge load onto your videocard (GTX 1070 wont get you playable FPS in most situations on Ultra in 1440p) and getting no picture quality increase in return. Not to mention that 25 inch is too small for MMOs even with 1080p.
    Some of us actually like the 27 inch 4K screens available because of the real estate benefits.

  18. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    I'm sorry but if you're trying to save on something that shouldnt in any way be saved on and spending on something that can and should be saved on. This qualifies for a bad build.

    1. Not reaching in any way. It's the foremost thing that makes cheap RAM actually cheap - skipping certification to get to the motherboard manufacturer QVL list. This doesnt guarantee that XMP profile wont work on a specific motherboard, but it's pretty common.

    2. True for most BenQ I've seen other than RL and BL series lately.

    3. Performance I agree, overclocking stability: cant agree here, there is a bunch of individual issues even the most reputable manufacturers have, and those are especially true for low price boards (XMP profile problems on ASUS, Vdroop on MSI, bad software on ASRock, BIOS problems on Gigabyte, etc). Audio codec doesnt matter, it's implementation is lacking on MSI boards. ASUS and ASRock are absolute leaders here, followed by Gigabyte on higher tier boards. I agree on Killer comparison but it's not actually performance (which is better with Killer NIC) but driver issues that Killer NIC have. Number of phases itself doesnt tell you anything, but this MSI board does have CPU voltage problems.

    4. I'm not saying the power output is not enough, I'm saying the quality of it is not enough.

    5. Streamers will want to save their footage to the disk to edit/reupload to another service. It's immediately needed as opposed to a bigger SSD, that is never needed unless you're working with professional applications.
    1. It's not 'cheap' RAM, though! So please stop.

    2. Not true in this case.

    3. "it's implementation is lacking on MSI boards." please elaborate.

    4. It's a Seasonic unit, one of the leaders in this market, please tell us why this unit isn't good enough.

    5. Some streamers! I stream and I don't need it. Bigger SSD is better performance usually. Also, he can STILL add whatever size HDD or external storage solution he wants.

    There is STILL no evidence presented as to why my build suggestions are bad, please stop accusing me of such. Thank you.
    Last edited by mmocca5d152c38; 2016-09-27 at 08:55 AM.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    Etc.
    1. Literally drawn out of thin air. It's "common knowledge" that motherboard and RAM compatibility is generally not an issue at the consumer level, not the opposite that you're claiming it is.
    2. Not common knowledge nor founded in any reviews or anything. Anecdotal experience is better than literally nothing, but it's still not great.
    3. This is again not "common knowledge", so if you have any basis you need to establish that.
    4. Quality is not enough? What is that even supposed to mean, honey? Especially seeing as your own uses a Corsair PSU, specifically a series where its predecessor was known for lower quality caps and all...
    5. Budget and streaming don't mesh. We're not recommending a new build to TB or Jesse Cox or Dodger here, but to a random forum user. They have little purpose in saving footage, they're better off just using automatic services that exist already.

    You play this off like it's obvious, but very little of what you're claiming is "common knowledge," and you're not backing your claims up beyond more claims that you don't back up...

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