What's the point of "Normal Mode"?

[Saverem]

What ppl like you dont udnerstand is that this lfr chart is done with Riaders in it farming "carot on stick" Valor, Runes, legendarys. Im sure the amount of real "LFR Joes" is way below it.



I f you mean half of the mechanics with half of the dmg then yes lol ....

Literally don't understand what you are trying to say. But good effort with English not being your first language.

[pmkaboo]

Normal mode is a poor representation of what Mythic is as well.
Every format before Mythic is only a partial representation.
It is just an arbitrary distinction that its difficulty is too low, when it is simply below the standards of people it is not aimed at.
You are just creating an arbitrary definition of what raiding difficulty is, one which happens to exclude LFR.

Why is x percentage of mechanics, or x percentage reduction in ability damage or number of targets etc a definition of a suitable difficultly.
There is no answer to that, which doesn't include picking a number out of the air.

ursoc normal => need soakers for charge or the target will die
ursoc mythic => the same with some more stuff
ursoc lfr => no worries, you can survive charge with 0 soakers, dying is not fun and we cant expect people to soak for you

simply put you cant make the easiest difficulty number 0, because then if any other difficulty was even hundred times thougher, it would still be 0. or in other words if you first experience with raiding is just several minutes of whacking a boss that doesnt do anything threatening, then you imagine the higher difficulties being pretty much the same just taking even longer because the boss has even more hp(speaking from personal experience).

[Tech Priest Bojangles]

Normal Mode would be perfect for my guild if we could ever manage to get 10 people interested in it. Raiding has left such a bad taste in everyone's mouths that nobody gives a shit to try it out in Legion. A few of us are having a blast doing mythic dungeons but raiding has always been a boring and frustrating waste of time.

So I still need LFR to get all the raiding quests done, if that's even possible.

[Felixon]

We've already got LFR for the casuals that just want to see the content, what's the point in having TWO ridiculously easy raid modes?


I'm not ranting btw, I'm just generally curious!

Can this thread actually handle the hardcorism of the OP?

[xezar]

Once upon a time, I probably would have said it's pointless, just make LFR the Normal difficulty and get rid of the "lol I can auto-attack and watch porn instead while getting loot while feeling like I'm raiding" mode instead.

These days? As I probably don't have the time to devote to heroic/mythic raiding till later, I'm fine with being a normal patsy and at least getting a better feel for how the actual raids are over, yeah, tabbing out and watching porn on LFR just to get loot.

[ShiyoKozuki]

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At these moments I always look at my signature.

Your signature is literally what happened to the MMO genre and it's so depressing.

[thilicen]

LFR is tourist mode and shouldn't offer epic rewards unless they roll war/titanforged. Normal is quite a bit harder than LFR and is very much suitable for casual raiders who would still like to play in organized groups instead of the clusterfuck that is LFR.

[RoKPaNda]

The problem isn't Normal. It's LFR.

lol no. It's actually hilarious when people say this because LFR pays for the higher level content. You can hate it all you want, but it saved your precious raiding.

LFR is tourist mode and shouldn't offer epic rewards unless they roll war/titanforged. Normal is quite a bit harder than LFR and is very much suitable for casual raiders who would still like to play in organized groups instead of the clusterfuck that is LFR.

Epics haven't been epic since you could get them by playing 10 arena matches a week in TBC.

LFR is bad because it gives new players/raiders very wrong impression of what raiding is about. the idea of easy mode that introduces you to raiding is awesome, but the current version of LFR fails horribly at it.

This amazes me. Lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're a Mythic raider, which is unlikely considering how few people actually raid Mythic. But we'll say you are. You can do Mythic raiding, but you aren't capable of figuring out that LFR isn't supposed to be an introduction to raiding or a stepping stone? LFR is it's own progression path that has nothing to do with Normal, Heroic, or Mythic raiding. The players who enjoy and participate in LFR are players who have never raided, this information comes from Blizzard themselves. They've never raided, they'll never raid. Ever. If LFR was dropped entirely tomorrow they would not stop raiding. Those people will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be in your pool of potential raiders. Ever.

Realistically LFR should share a lockout with normal and beyond. Most people in this game do not raid, that's how it has always been and that's how it will always be.

[ShiyoKozuki]

So, he played for a month, and then quit when he saw normal mode raid? And for that whole month nobody actually told him how the raiding changed in these years he wasn't playing?

Regardless, he bought Legion, and he paid 1-month sub. Blizzard accomplished its goal.

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P.S. Also, he played for month, but refused to play 1 more week to check if higher difficulties are really boring and unfun. Pfff.

Well, he doesn't like the idea of having to tolerate 19 human beings just to do content that has some semblance of difficulty(mythic) and I 100% agree with this because 20 man ONLY for mythic is lame.

I don't agree with normal being bad though but I play a tank and it's pretty cool.

[Deleted]

We've already got LFR for the casuals that just want to see the content, what's the point in having TWO ridiculously easy raid modes?


I'm not ranting btw, I'm just generally curious!

Most videogames have an easy/normal/hard/very hard option. Casual LFR players who start a guild with their friends and family to progress beyond LFR aren't going to kill any HC bosses. Surely you understand the concept of difficulty tiers and challenge progression? Was the point of this thread just so you could stick your nose up and tell everyone what an elite pro you are?

[pmkaboo]

This amazes me. Lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're a Mythic raider, which is unlikely considering how few people actually raid Mythic. But we'll say you are. You can do Mythic raiding, but you aren't capable of figuring out that LFR isn't supposed to be an introduction to raiding or a stepping stone? LFR is it's own progression path that has nothing to do with Normal, Heroic, or Mythic raiding. The players who enjoy and participate in LFR are players who have never raided, this information comes from Blizzard themselves. They've never raided, they'll never raid. Ever. If LFR was dropped entirely tomorrow they would not stop raiding. Those people will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be in your pool of potential raiders. Ever.

Realistically LFR should share a lockout with normal and beyond. Most people in this game do not raid, that's how it has always been and that's how it will always be.

i guess i wasnt specific enough, but easiest difficulty with no other notes or comments is an introduction and a stepping stone to the higher difficulties, whether its supposed to be that or not doesnt matter. so your pool of non raiders also has mixed in new and old players who do want to try raiding, and its them im talking about.

[dexx]

normal isn't ridiculously easy for everybody.

Exactly. Normal is plenty hard for a lot of players.

[Tenjen]

lfr is a mass play/catch up area which anyone can join.

Normal is a good breeding ground to introduce new raiders with or bring capable non raiders.

[Deleted]

Normal is super easy if you go with 30

Ilgynoth with 10 is hard, even on normal.

Which Blizzard got rid off this stupid flex and properly balances bosses for 10 players.

[Deleted]

Only thing I hope for is that they would add option to do mythic raids with premade finder. My schedule is all around the place but I have already cleared heroic.

[carl812]

LFR is for the shit asses on the main forum that have in complete seriousness argued that lfr players are real raiders. Normal is for people who want real mechanics without having to struggle too long with the dungeon.

On a side note, why is the performance of this website so shitty?

[Spiral Mage]

"Normal", i.e. FLEX Raid difficulty (from MOP) was implemented because BLIZ wanted a difficulty that required you to form a team yourself, and not be able to queue for it (where upon LFR has to be made insanely easy due to people being bad/refusing to communicate at all) but they wanted it to be very widely accessible to what they call "friends and family" guilds. Which, I hate to say it but guilds like that generally exactly that. And pretty much any time I've encountered a guild like that over the years, there's always a few people who are really bad at the game but are brought because they are friends/family and are part of the close/core group.

Normal Mode was designed with those people/guilds in mind. Where your performance could be greatly lacking and you'd still be able to kill the bosses but unlike LFR, you are in a group YOU formed with people YOU invited, and you get the sense of community/socialization that comes with raiding without having to make decisions like "My brother really sucks at this game but I don't want to hurt his feelings and drop him because of it", well my friend, normal is for you because you can probably just carry him.

FLEX raiding when it was added in MOP was *massively* successful and there were tons of groups being formed around it immediately. So it's little wonder BLIZ carried over that difficulty since it was obviously proving to be very well received and successful.

The one downer is, FLEX was broken up into wings like LFR, and Normal is not. My main gripe here is, in MOP it was easy to PUG Wing 1 and 2 today, then do wing 3 a few days later .. and do Wing 4 on Sunday before the reset on monday/tuesday for instance. Now, it's harder to have that flexibility and control over the time commitment. If you join, you have to just see it through as far as they get.

But then, that's also because it's aimed at organized groups, not PUGs.

[Demeia]

Normal mode is intended to be for friends and family guilds, where you have some decent raiders who want to bring along friends and family who might not be.

It takes some coordination, but isn't tuned very tightly. Mostly, it lets the burden not rest so heavily on individuals that you have to sit people who don't perform, but instead can just carry them through.

It's also a good building point for heroics--for us, it's basically what heroics are to mythic raiders. A way to get some gear. We're much, MUCH more likely to have unevenly geared people.

We have reached a point where perhaps blizzard will consider pulling the plug on LFR. With mythic plus, they have something of an alternative. It will be interesting to see what they do. Clearly LFR will still be wildy popular so perhaps they just keep the four modes.

[Otimus]

Your signature is literally what happened to the MMO genre and it's so depressing.

You can mostly blame Blizzard for trying to make that audience 99% of their base, and then everyone else copying Blizzard to try and get their fat stacks of money.