First presidential debate - September 26: Trump vs Hillary

[hydrium]

Here's the report, pulling from a factchecker site that linked to it, FWIW; https://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/d...c-Policies.pdf

Fun fact: Facts mean nothing in an election!

[Waaldo]

Now Hillary will go home and sleep for 5 days while trump continues to rally the people. Trump is going to steamroll her on November 8th.

Holy shit, his fans are literally fanatics.

[Kellhound]

Why did anyone bother to watch the debates, or better yet, why did they even bother having them???? Did ANYONE actually think Trump would come off as smart???

The fact that Clinton and Trump are the "best" the major parties could place before us shows how bad things have gotten. The best we can hope for is a Clinton win offset by a Republican controlled Senate for the next 4 years.

[Breccia]

Here's the report, pulling from a factchecker site that linked to it, FWIW; https://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/d...c-Policies.pdf

Oh. Well..okay then. Hmm. I'll take a look, thanks.

[mvaliz]

Now Hillary will go home and sleep for 5 days while trump continues to rally the people. Trump is going to steamroll her on November 8th.

How many glasses of water did dump Dump into his thick gullet durring the debate?

How many sips did... oh fuck it - she didn't even need to drink ANY water and still held her composure and schooled the fuk out of him till the very end!

And you know what? We the reality is we have the moronic psycho republicans like you to thank for that - since all those bullshit scandals have built up her immunity to withstand 12 hour depositions, she was able to tackle 1 orangutang with hairplugs for 2 hours tonight.

[NED funded]

I didn't hear her acknowledge the huge increasing debt bubble. I didn't hear her acknowledge that raising taxes on the upper class does lead to outsourcing jobs. I mean honestly I feel like Hilary will just continue on what Obama has done, and not to say he's been terrible, but the country won't make any drastic changes.

What increasing taxes on the rich does not lead to outsourcing of jobs. You are refering to increasing taxes on corporations

[Kellhound]

Fun fact: Facts mean nothing in an election!

Facts mean nothing to politics, the true mark of a perfect politician is being able to convince one's own mother they never had children.....

[Endus]

Why did anyone bother to watch the debates, or better yet, why did they even bother having them???? Did ANYONE actually think Trump would come off as smart???

The fact that Clinton and Trump are the "best" the major parties could place before us shows how bad things have gotten. The best we can hope for is a Clinton win offset by a Republican controlled Senate for the next 4 years.

It's an unfortunate truth that sometimes, the only way for actual meaningful change to occur is for the status quo to actually collapse. I'd argue that Trump's candidacy is an example of such collapse. That so many Republican colleagues are so opposed to Trump's candidacy, including people like George H.W. Bush, that they'll vote for Clinton rather than support Trump, that should be shocking to any long-time Republicans. Unless you've seriously hated the Party all these years you were voting for them.

[Jtbrig7390]

Now Hillary will go home and sleep for 5 days while trump continues to rally the people. Trump is going to steamroll her on November 8th.

Like he did tonight......

[mvaliz]

Fun fact: Facts mean nothing in an election!

Fun Fact: Facts matter when you're eventually in a Donald Dump sweatshop making his socks for 10 cents an hour.

[DeadmanWalking]

The majority of the country tend to believe the country is headed in the wrong direction

Ah republican sound byte 101, act like you speak for the majority and sheep will believe it is the truth even though you failed to be the majority for the last 8 years.

[Stonecloak]

What, that the wealthy are overtaxed in the USA, right now? That's not a "myth", it's a straight-up lie. The only significant one targeted at the wealthy that I'm aware of was the surtax on investment income, which wasn't the huge hike you apparently think.

1> The campaign is about the nominee's goals, not what they'll necessarily be able to achieve.
2> The alternative to taxing the rich more is taxing them less. That's trickle-down economics. The money doesn't "trickle down". The entire argument has, through the magic of actual real events, been proven to be a meritless and intellectually bankrupt concept.



That magical "something", despite countries which DO have strong middle classes all having programs like the ones you're poo-pooing.

Ok, so if trickle down economics is the result of taxing the rich which doesn't have the result marketed to voters, and taxing the rich is a nominees goal but not guaranteed as it hasn't happened in 8 years, then well??? Also, to just be realistic. Taxing the rich may very much be what we're looking for in strengthening the lower classes, but does that mean all those wealthy people are just going to accept that? This is where as rough as he is I feel Trump does have a point. It doesn't necessarily need to be in either extreme, perhaps a compromise, but most rich people I know cannot stand seeing their net worth decreasing.

[alexw]

It works in the small Scandinavian countries, not 300 million people. Take money out of the hands of the job makers and there are no jobs for the consumer class. We can debate this for years.

This is just right wing garbage that has no bearing on reality. They don't make jobs. They never have and never will. If they made jobs as you suggest we should be drowning in jobs given how much the wealth of the rich has skyrocketed upwards compared to everyone else.

The reality which we live in and you won't admit to is that it is consumer demand that creates jobs. Rising consumer demand means companies need more workers to make more output to sell. So redistribute income to the middle class and the increased demand from that middle class will cause the number of jobs to rocket upwards.

[Kellhound]

It's an unfortunate truth that sometimes, the only way for actual meaningful change to occur is for the status quo to actually collapse. I'd argue that Trump's candidacy is an example of such collapse. That so many Republican colleagues are so opposed to Trump's candidacy, including people like George H.W. Bush, that they'll vote for Clinton rather than support Trump, that should be shocking to any long-time Republicans. Unless you've seriously hated the Party all these years you were voting for them.

I would not lament the death of the current Republican Party if it was not for the Democrats. I would love to see another Bull Moose Party though.

[Breccia]

Did ANYONE actually think Trump would come off as smart???

Trump did. That's why he didn't prepare.

I wonder how he thinks it went. I mean, he claimed to see 80% 90% poll results -- which not even Breitbart has -- but, let's be honest, his campaign staff needs to sit him the fuck down, tell him to shut the fuck up, and LISTEN TO THEM NEXT TIME. Yes-men will not help his current situation.

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Ok, so if trickle down economics is the result of taxing the rich

Um..isn't that backwards?

[DeadmanWalking]

Now Hillary will go home and sleep for 5 days while trump continues to rally the people. Trump is going to steamroll her on November 8th.

Now repeat this three times while clicking your ruby slipper heels together as you rub the magic lamp and your unrealistic republican sound byte still won't come true but we will still enjoy teasing you.

[Stommped]

Oh come on.

Because wealthy people who have more money don't hire people to do nothing, they just enjoy having more money.

Your entire post is mostly wrong, but this is the wrongest. When you have money you use it to make more money. At least that's what any intelligent wealthy person has done since forever. You don't hire them to do nothing, you hire them to do what you other employees are doing that's making your money. When you take away their money you incentivize them to save money as much as possible to stay in business. That sure as hell means not hiring $15 minimum wage US workers.

[Hooked]

Time, CNBC, and Drudge polls all show trump won the debate and it wasnt even close.

[alexw]

Ok, so if trickle down economics is the result of taxing the rich which doesn't have the result marketed to voters, and taxing the rich is a nominees goal but not guaranteed as it hasn't happened in 8 years, then well??? Also, to just be realistic. Taxing the rich may very much be what we're looking for in strengthening the lower classes, but does that mean all those wealthy people are just going to accept that? This is where as rough as he is I feel Trump does have a point. It doesn't necessarily need to be in either extreme, perhaps a compromise, but most rich people I know cannot stand seeing their net worth decreasing.

Of course they won't like it. They didn't like it when it happened after the second world war and eventually managed to undo those high rates society put on them. But that doesn't mean its not a goal we shouldn't aim for again. If you want a strong middle class then the rich need to be highly taxed. The former cannot exist without the latter.

[Endus]

Ok, so if trickle down economics is the result of taxing the rich which doesn't have the result marketed to voters, and taxing the rich is a nominees goal but not guaranteed as it hasn't happened in 8 years, then well??? Also, to just be realistic. Taxing the rich may very much be what we're looking for in strengthening the lower classes, but does that mean all those wealthy people are just going to accept that? This is where as rough as he is I feel Trump does have a point. It doesn't necessarily need to be in either extreme, perhaps a compromise, but most rich people I know cannot stand seeing their net worth decreasing.

Yeah. They're "just going to accept that". Because their only alternatives are to move out of the country and close their businesses here. Which they won't do, because they'd lose their shirts, and access to a huge market. Not to mention the many, many jobs that can't be outsourced.

The idea that there'd be some mass exodus of rich people and corporate stockholders to avoid paying a little more on their taxes is just a completely baseless argument. It doesn't happen. Especially when the USA's tax rates are already generally low, meaning their options are largely other first-world nations with similar tax rates as the new ones in America, or developing nations where they don't have nearly the same protections and available services.