First presidential debate - September 26: Trump vs Hillary

[Cthulhu 2020]

Goign to watch the debate this evening, can someone give a short summary? I cba sifting through tens of pages on a laughable discussion on basic economics of supply and demand by people with no economic background nor insight.

Trump and Hillary both start off fairly calm and collected, although it's clear that Trump didn't come into this prepared.

As the debate goes on, Trump gets more angry and less composed, meanwhile Hillary stays composed the entire time and even laughs a little when Trump clearly loses his cool a couple of times.

The moderator asks them both pretty much the same questions, Hillary goes on the offensive, Trump really starts to lose his shit, goes on the defensive, tells lie after lie (claims stop and frisk isn't unconstitutional, says crime is on the rise) and then when he's called out on the lies, he says he gets to say what the facts are.

By the end of it Hillary is basically just baiting Trump into saying things that make him look awful.

Trump got completely rolled over, looked like a fool, and all of his thin skinned supporters are mad. You can even see one on the last page just as delusional as Trump, defending Trump's lies.

Reality has a liberal bias.

[Kellhound]

You think that overstock will maintain production demand of any sector? I am not aware of any manufacturing that would count a peek, followed by a drop off, as only hurting the "end producer".

I never claimed anything about maintaining demand, just that it creates some demand.

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In the video they argue the cutoff should be 5% instead of 15% since at 5%, third party candidates can get major party status in all 50 states as well as federal matching funds.

The Big Two REALLY dont want that.

[Deletedaccount1]

Let me rephrase this

I don't trust you, therefore I don't trust any jack-leg "sources" you link.

...and a google search just showed me what I already knew - you linked a lie... again.

No, that video is NOT about Donald Dump wanting Gary Johnson SPECIFICALLY to be in the debates. It was Donald Dump telling a reporter in passing he would want to open the debates for third parties.

whatevs...

Nope that is not what the video is about. I'm sorry that you are so single minded you haven't heard of my source and are too intellectually lazy to challenge your own views. You could have simply not replied but instead you do what you do in every thread and make a rude, demeaning remark and go back to your immature name calling.

The video is about why Gary Johnson should have been allowed in the debate and showed footage of Donald Trump giving a speech for the Reform Party in 2000 arguing against the 15% requirement to participate in presidential debates.

So no. I didn't link a lie, I have no idea what that interview you're talking about is but it is not what I linked. Please continue to be as casuistic as possible and upset because I call you out for your toxic posting style which simultaneously makes me a liar somehow.

[Felya]

I never claimed anything about maintaining demand, just that it creates some demand.

Why would increased supply create demand? Do you buy products because they are there or because you want/need them? Your want or need creates demand, not them sitting on the shelfs.

[Kellhound]

Then you have no valid point

How is demand going up when I said it could cause demand to go up not having a valid point? Oh right, because it shows a flow in an absolute argument.

[Hooked]

They showed an audience approval meter graph, every time Trump talked the republicans and independents went crazy with approval while democrats stayed the same. When Hillary talked democrat numbers barely rose while independents and republican approval tanked. She is toast in November.

[Deletedaccount1]

Trump got completely rolled over, looked like a fool, and all of his thin skinned supporters are mad. You can even see one on the last page just as delusional as Trump, defending Trump's lies.

Polling says otherwise. It says there was no clear winner or Hillary won slightly. You could say the people they polled are wrong but the debates don't mean anything other than to attract voters so that is the only criteria worthy of judging them on.

[Kellhound]

They default on their loan, because there is no demand to justify their spending... Why would it disappear? It's what happens when you mismanage business... See how China dealt with solar panel over production...

So, where does the money that is supposed to drive demand come from, or are you saying the world will never increase its demand?

[mvaliz]

They showed an audience approval meter graph, every time Trump talked the republicans and independents went crazy with approval while democrats stayed the same. When Hillary talked democrat numbers barely rose while independents and republican approval tanked. She is toast in November.

well... if "they" showed it, who are we to contradict the vast resources of the all-encompasing "they" and the access to the debate rooms data collected from the completely unnecessary focus-group testing equipment that more than most likely wasn't there as they're a fiction you just created in your head.

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...WHO THE FUK ARE "THEY"!?

[Felya]

How is demand going up when I said it could cause demand to go up not having a valid point? Oh right, because it shows a flow in an absolute argument.

Why would increased production, increase demand?

[Hooked]

well... if "they" showed it, who are we to contradict the vast resources of the all-encompasing "they" and the access to the debate rooms presence of completely unnecessary focus-group testing equipment.

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...WHO THE FUK ARE "THEY"!?

They are the people that showed it duh.

[Shinzou]

They showed an audience approval meter graph, every time Trump talked the republicans and independents went crazy with approval while democrats stayed the same. When Hillary talked democrat numbers barely rose while independents and republican approval tanked. She is toast in November.

How the hell do they know who approved or not in real time? They can't read people's minds.

[Felya]

So, where does the money that is supposed to drive demand come from, or are you saying the world will never increase its demand?

It comes from existing sales. If your demand exceeds your production, you spend your earnings to match demand and recoup them. A business owner has to make a choice, to expand and meet demand or to remain small, but guarantee sales.

[Skroe]

That wasn't a debate. It was an execution.

[mvaliz]

How the hell do they know who approved or not in real time? They can't read people's minds.

methinks he's confusing a presidential campaign for a Focus group test group...? o_O

[Hooked]

How the hell do they know who approved or not in real time? They can't read people's minds.

They always have these meters in the audience during debates.

[beanman12345]

im not from usa btw, was it always like this? its disgusting

Not always no. but for many decades i'd say yes. It's bad. There is some sad statistic less then 10% trust these news stations because it's all as you say, disgusting.

[Felya]

How the hell do they know who approved or not in real time? They can't read people's minds.

Come from it from experience in a hive mind and you might understand what he means. One of us! One of us!

[Breccia]

Trump was the clear winner for the first half of the debate before the moderator began his one-sided
Asked about Trump tax returns

...why wouldn't he? In what world is who Trump owes, not important, just to use part of the issue?

Pressed and pushed about the taxes/financial releases being "okay to release now" despite audit

Maybe Trump should have given a reason that wasn't factually false.

Straight-up lied about Stop-And-Frisk being ruled unconstitutional, implied the entire time it was a racist bill (and thereby implied that Trump was racist for proposing it)

It was ruled unconstitutional, namely the Fourth and Fourteenth, which in turn, yes, makes it racist.

Asked Trump about supporting the Iraq War

Trump was given a chance to admit he lied and apologize. He FAILED. That was a softball question and he blew it.

Insisted and claimed that Trump supported the Iraq War after he already answered

Trump said he never said that. He lied. The moderator fact checked him. It's a matter of public record, dude.

Never asked Hillary about having voted for the Iraq War

Valid, but what new would she say? She's been pretty damn specific about it.

Asked Trump to defend his statements about the Birther comments

Trump fucking ASKED for that one. He trolled the media with that announcement, and the media HATED that. Oh, plus, he lied about it, so fair game.

Implied Trump's statements about the Obama Birther issue was racist, asked this question during the "race relations" section of the debates, and interrupted Trump more than once during his responses

He did the same with Rubio and Cruz. How was it not racist?

Did not ask Hillary about her involvement in the birther issue

He might have, but Trump got there first so we'll never know. And it's not exactly hard to find that her camp's involvement was as minimal as she described. This is hardly a new issue, Trump made a bad call to bring it up.

Did not ask Hillary about the Obama photo that Hillary leaked

That seems pretty damn minor compared to other issues, and Trump asked anyhow, so there was no need.

Did not progress and ask Hillary about her "Super Predators" comment like he did numerous times with Trump

It would have been a waste of time. She said she was talking about drug cartels, and apologized for using the term. Did you want her to apologize again?

Asked Trump to defend his comments about Hillary's "appearance" - implying sexism or anti-women sentiments

How is it not sexist? Remember when he said Fiorina was too ugly to be elected? You thought he could try that shit twice and get away with it?

Did not ask Hillary about Benghazi

Granted. But we'll hear about it later I'm sure.

Did not ask Hillary about the Emails

Trump brought it up, then Holt DID ask. Again, he might have later, we'll never know.

Did not ask Hillary anything about Bill's history of sexual harassment and her defense of his behavior

Bill Clinton is not running for office. Or did you want more questions about Melania too? Hey, remember that time she was accused of being an illegal immigrant? Remember how her defense was that her lawyer said she wasn't? Didn't she also claim she graduated from college before her bio vanished? How's that speechwriting going?

Hey, remember that time Trump cheated on his wife? How shiny is that glass house of his, that you're begging him to throw stones?

Moderator seemed to avoid topics that were strong Trump policies

He literally started with jobs, arguably Trump's strongest point.

Didn't mention Immigration

Granted, but I'm sure we'll see it soon enough.

Didn't mention the Clinton Foundation

In what regard? The only things thrown against it are heresay. How would that go?
"Mrs. Clinton, did you engage in pay-for-play?"
"No."
"Okay then. Next question."

You seem upset that your candidate's long history of intentional deceit and lies was actually questioned. Is being called on your bullshit somehow unfair? Maybe if he didn't lie so blatantly over the course of his campaign this wouldn't be a problem.

Or maybe you think Anderson Cooper will treat him any better.

*snicker*

[Skroe]

Well @Skroe, Trump has pretty much confirmed everything you said about him and NATO.

Just watched the debate. Hillary Clinton's retort was a truly beautiful statement about why NATO matters.