Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[Edge-]

Trump is the one that hasn't explained how he is going to implement these policies other than the wall. The wall that will not get built because Mexico isn't going to pay for it.

That's not him saying how he'd implement it, anyway. He has no stated plan for how he'd make Mexico pay for the way, no timeline/plan for how long it will take to build, how much it will cost, the specs of the wall, or really anything at all.

If he is asked about things for in depth explanations, his standard reply is something along the lines of "We will hire people, the best people, to get a plan going for it, don't we love those people?" That's it.

You forgot that he actually knows all of this and has detailed plans himself, you know, because of his very good brain and the many things he's said. But he will call in "the best" people and have them submit their plans too...I'm not sure why though, because he's already said that all his plans are the best and he knows more than literally everyone else, anyways.

He hasn't explained ANYTHING on the spot.

Or off the spot, for that matter. Nor has his campaign.

Well, he sometimes will get into vague details like he did with his tax plan...which he changed within a matter of hours to suit whomever he was speaking to.

[Breccia]

I know, does that mean Hillary could have gotten out of all of the Benghazi and private email server nonsense simply by throwing her hands in the air and saying, "Well, I didn't know!"?

Well she damn near tried that with the emails. And...it worked. So...yes?

[DeadmanWalking]

Donald's go to move when he is looking at something turning out bad for him is to attack the media as unfair and claim the system is rigged against him, hence the claim that Lester Holt is a Democrat. His blonde attacker turned campaign manager also went off on the media assuming they will light into Donald even if he does nothing wrong.

[cubby]

Donald's go to move when he is looking at something turning out bad for him is to attack the media as unfair and claim the system is rigged against him, hence the claim that Lester Holt is a Democrat. His blonde attacker turned campaign manager also went off on the media assuming they will light into Donald even if he does nothing wrong.

I agree completely - and the pre-debate Holt dig is pure evidence. They are setting themselves up for post-debate failure and his constituents will eat it up.

And it only took 13 months for the media to stop putting up with Trump's bullshit. Yay!

[Breccia]

Donald's go to move when he is looking at something turning out bad for him is to attack the media as unfair and claim the system is rigged against him

I think his go-to move has been to accuse his opponent of whatever he's been proven to be worse with. I'd like to see him try that here.

Actually no, I want him to repeat what he did with Fiorina and say Clinton's too ugly to be elected. I'd love to fucking see that.

..he won't, of course. But man, that'd be the best.

[DeadmanWalking]

I agree completely - and the pre-debate Holt dig is pure evidence. They are setting themselves up for post-debate failure and his constituents will eat it up.

And it only took 13 months for the media to stop putting up with Trump's bullshit. Yay!

Well to be fair Holt isn't white so obviously someone like Trump would assume he was a Democrat instead of using that complicated thing called "Google."

[cubby]

I think his go-to move has been to accuse his opponent of whatever he's been proven to be worse with. I'd like to see him try that here.

Actually no, I want him to repeat what he did with Fiorina and say Clinton's too ugly to be elected. I'd love to fucking see that.

..he won't, of course. But man, that'd be the best.

Dare to dream - it would be fantastic.

[DeadmanWalking]

I think his go-to move has been to accuse his opponent of whatever he's been proven to be worse with. I'd like to see him try that here.

Actually no, I want him to repeat what he did with Fiorina and say Clinton's too ugly to be elected. I'd love to fucking see that.

..he won't, of course. But man, that'd be the best.

More importantly can he get through the night without alluding to the size of his cock.

[Breccia]

Here's a little bit extra to read pre-debate.

Glenn Beck apologizes for backing soulless coward Ted Cruz

"Do you have any new information that has made you say 'Oh my gosh, he's now not a sociopathic liar and now there's suddenly a reason to believe him?'" Beck had asked Cruz on "The Glenn Beck Radio Program."

Here is a publication from NYU Law. It shows how the nuances of Trump's tax plan would basically be neutered, or even reversed, due to its oversimplification. Of special note, and easily verified from the IRS and Trump's site (yes, the paper cites its sources), is the change of the 10% marginal tax bracket to a 12% one up to $75k married/half that single. Now to be fair, his 12% stays the same as the IRS brings it up to 15% later, so it eventually evens out if your income level rises high enough (Trump's plan is deliberately skewed towards the rich)...but it's a tax increase for the poorest people who pay taxes. The paper makes some other accusations -- for example, Trump appears to be removing "single head of household" as a filing option, penalizing single parents such as widowers -- and appears to be able to defend them. I expect we'll hear more about this later.

And Jill Stein was escorted off Hofstra campus "nicely" when she appeared without credentials.

- - - Updated - - -

Oh...well, hasn't it been an interesting 24 hours. Let's recap!

Trump's claim he never said global warming was a Chinese hoax: Mostly False
Tax returns don't tell you much: False
The "gold standard": Mostly True, but nearly pointless. "It’s worth noting that at this point the deal was still under negotiation and because that was done behind closed doors, there’s no way to know how much it changed."
Trump denies being in favor of Iraq War: False. Politifact uses the term "for the nth time..."
Thousands of shootings in Chicago: True. Of course, Trump failed to say thousands of murders so this stat isn't as potent as it could have been.
Clinton & co started the birther movement: False.

PBS: "Overall, Clinton had a better night than Trump"
ABC: "But neither candidate proved that he or she has a winning message, not on the night of the first debate."
CBS: "Hillary Clinton won the debate. Or rather, Donald Trump lost it."
NBC: "Clinton gained the upper hand early as Trump grew defensive over personal attacks, dissembled or contradicted himself on key issues, and reopened old wounds on gender and race along the way."
Reuters: "Trump started strongly on Monday, sticking to the bread and butter theme of his campaign - the erosion of U.S. manufacturing jobs. But he soon lost his composure, especially when Clinton questioned his success in business and his refusal to release his tax returns and accused him of racism and sexism."
BBC: "It was a battle between the lawyer and the salesman, and for the most part the lawyer came out on top."
Al Jazeera: Did not call a winner. "The actual debate, however, was almost entirely cliche-ridden and predictable. In the age of 24/7 news cycle, twitter storms, and multimedia blasts, almost everything they said on this stage had already been said and repeated ad infinitum."
Breitbart: From last night, "Trump Adviser Sam Clovis: ‘It’ll Be Very Clear Tonight That He’s Done a Great Deal of Preparation’ for Debate" Suspiciously enough, does not call out a winner.

USA Today: "By the standards of traditional debate, Clinton was the clear winner."
NYTimes: "Clinton won Monday night, by any conventional reckoning."
Wall Street Journal: A collection of opinions behind an ad paywall, 2 said Clinton won, 1 Trump, 2 "meh"
LATimes: "How Clinton beat Trump, round-by-round"
NYPost: "Even when he could have taken her down, he was so incompetent he didn’t go for it." Also, their headline is "Don, Not Out: Trump Survives First Debate" emphasis mine.
Chicago Tribune: Did a Winners and Losers section. Winners include Clinton, losers include Trump.
Washington Post: Said the same, could even be the same AP article.
Newsday: "But both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton had grounds to claim victory after Monday night’s first presidential debate."
NY Daily News: "While Donald Trump lost no hardcore supporters last night — to them, as has repeatedly boasted, he can do no wrong — he failed the Reagan test. His uneven, often rambling, occasionally passionate performance won’t win over wary and worried voters."
Boston Globe: "Donald Trump didn't lose the debate, Clinton won it"
Dallas Morning News: "As it turned out, the candidates in this debate did not upend those long-formed impressions. Clinton held her own. Trump stumbled, tripping himself up on his penchant for exaggeration and bald misstatements. His inch-thick grasp of policy showed through clearly, even as he also managed to keep his tendency to insult and mock to a minimum."
Tampa Bay Times: "Hillary Clinton delivered a strong performance in the first presidential debate Monday night, offering responsible plans for helping the middle class and reducing crime as an ill-prepared Donald Trump relied on his predictable brash declarations with few details. The difference between an experienced public servant and a billionaire reality television star could not have been clearer."

And finally, CNN and FOX.

CNN had all of their political analysts give a quick synopsis. Here are their mini-headlines:
David Gergen: Clinton crushed Trump, but was that enough?
S.E. Cupp: Trump (mostly) did the job
Errol Louis: Where Clinton damaged Trump
Mel Robbins: Hillary Clinton got bad advice
Tara Setmayer: Trump kept taking the bait
Frida Ghitis: How Clinton unmasked Trump
Tim Stanley: A technical win for Trump
Roxanne Jones: Note to Trump: Talking loud a losing strategy
Julian Zelizer: Debate unlikely to have dramatic impact
Haroon Moghul: Trump lost, but so did all of us
Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Clinton won hands down
Raul Reyes: A sad night for 'Sniffles'
Jeff Yang: Trump weaved his own hanging rope
Sally Kohn: Trump train derailed
Buck Sexton: Trump needs stronger showing next time
Nayyera Haq: Trump looked more like Grumpy Cat than a leader

FOX did the same.
Liz Peek: At first debate, Trump couldn’t wipe that smug grin off Hillary’s face. But he came close.
Douglas Schoen: Hillary won the first debate (it helps to be prepared)
Dan Gainor (not a FOX employee?): Lester Holt spins debate for Hillary 6 huge ways, plays 'Gotcha' with Trump
William Whalen: Trump struggles, Clinton clings to facts and figures

"Hey Breccia, how come you didn't link the FOX News pieces that called Trump the winner of the debate?"
Because I couldn't find any. I'm serious, find their Opinion page and check for yourself. There's one about "why I vote for Trump" that doesn't mention the debate at all. There are some pieces blaming media bias (although, see above, I can see why they'd think that based on how clearly everyone else was pushing Clinton as the winner or a tie). But I didn't see one. If you find one, post it.

But all of that pales in comparison to this:

Rudy Giulliani urges Trump to skip the next two debates citing "ignorant, incorrect fact checker"

That's right. Matched up with Chris Christie's live comment (I don't have a link, sorry) that Trump could skip the next two debates and still win, it seems the groundwork for him missing them is now an actual foundation, being poured by illegal immigrants Trump hired and won't pay. And at this point, based on basically every large media source, he couldn't have done a lot worse.

[TZucchini]

Oh...well, hasn't it been an interesting 24 hours. Let's recap!

Well that was a fairly comprehensive list. Nice job.

But honestly, all you had to do was watch the debate with an open mind. If Trump had beaten Hillary, I'd have no problem admitting it.

Not only did Trump sound bad, but he looked bad as well. When the campaign leaked that Trump wasn't preparing much, I figured they were just trying to downplay expectations, while he actually did prepare in the meantime. But nope. You could legitimately tell that Trump did next to nothing to prepare. Says a lot about how he'll prepare for the presidency.

[zenkai]

According to NBC Trump is a Coke user, this is so wrong, we know Pepsi is the clear choice.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/201...e-user-n655216

[Noxx79]

According to NBC Trump is a Coke user, this is so wrong, we know Pepsi is the clear choice.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/201...e-user-n655216

Howard Dean is NBC now?

And he's rightfully getting ridiculed for his inappropriate remark.

[zenkai]

Howard Dean is NBC now?

And he's rightfully getting ridiculed for his inappropriate remark.

NBC is regurgitating it because they want to spread the rumor.

[LaserSharkDFB]

NBC is regurgitating it because they want to spread the rumor.

Meanwhile, Trump's saying 'what sniffles? where sniffles? my microphone was defective even though the sniffs only happened when I was talking and were timed perfectly with my intakes of breath'. If it wasn't a runny nose and it wasn't cocaine, what was it? I'm guessing Parkinson's.

[zenkai]

Meanwhile, Trump's saying 'what sniffles? where sniffles? my microphone was defective even though the sniffs only happened when I was talking and were timed perfectly with my intakes of breath'. If it wasn't a runny nose and it wasn't cocaine, what was it? I'm guessing Parkinson's.

Maybe it was Hillary's Perfume, you know how old ladies are, they bathe in that stuff to mask the odor of death.

[LilSaihah]

Meanwhile, Trump's saying 'what sniffles? where sniffles? my microphone was defective even though the sniffs only happened when I was talking and were timed perfectly with my intakes of breath'. If it wasn't a runny nose and it wasn't cocaine, what was it? I'm guessing Parkinson's.

Trump didn't have the time to move away from the mic to breathe in.

[LaserSharkDFB]

Maybe it was Hillary's Perfume, you know how old ladies are, they bathe in that stuff to mask the odor of death.

She had to wear that to ward off the weasels that live in Trump's hair. That's why he's always orange, by the way. One of the main symptoms of weasel flu.

Trump didn't have the time to move away from the mic to breathe in.

I mean, that's fine, he could just say 'yeah, I was focused on Clinton and didn't really hear them in my own voice, my bad' and that'd be the end of it. But it's not in Trump's character to admit fault in anything, so of course he'll blow it off and make up stupid excuses.

[zenkai]

She had to wear that to ward off the weasels that live in Trump's hair. That's why he's always orange, by the way. One of the main symptoms of weasel flu.



I mean, that's fine, he could just say 'yeah, I was focused on Clinton and didn't really hear them in my own voice, my bad' and that'd be the end of it. But it's not in Trump's character to admit fault in anything, so of course he'll blow it off and make up stupid excuses.

I thought Trump's hair was a live weasel... I have been lied too...

[LaserSharkDFB]

I thought Trump's hair was a live weasel... I have been lied too...

Oh, no, there's an entire colony of microweasels in there. You never see them because they blend into their surroundings.

[Matchles]

My take after sleeping on it last night. Trump's biggest problem was that the microphone WAS working.