1. #561
    Quote Originally Posted by Escene View Post
    How rude,
    Funny how you do not see yourself in the same light.

    Quote Originally Posted by Escene View Post
    i stated facts LFR is tourist Mode Blizzard said it. Now answer my question !
    what you want more to keep you and your kind of players to stay sub ? =)
    I have. And I shall repeat since you seems to have a problem with reading. Stop judging people based on their choice and play style. Nothing wanting to group with certain type of people is not being anti-social.

  2. #562
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Its not accessibility.
    That's the main reason we still have LFR lol. Even in WOD when rewards was shit it was still the most played raid mode. Because it has 100% accessibility. You are not at the whims of the player base.

    That is why all queable modes (LFD/LFR) have the highest player count use. WOD proved no matter how shit LFR is people will chose it over LFG because of the community factor.

    This is a fact you need to accept.
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    If you are trying to AE tank and a bad dps is attacking the wrong target and dies, we call that justice.

  4. #564
    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentsatellite View Post
    Unfortunately, guilds are almost as toxic as the LFR environment, unless you're willing to pay for faction/realm changes to find one that "works" for you; big reason I went from HM raiding to completely casual.

    People keep whining about how pre-made content ruined the community, without realizing pre-made content became necessary because of how the community, including guilds, were trending.
    If you're in a good guild that gets shit done, and gets along, good for you, you're in the minority. In my decade of WoW experience, most guilds quickly become a drama filled shitfest, or an environment where no one "socializes" outside of swearing at one another during raid nights.
    I'm pretty sure my artifact weapon lore was made up in 15 minutes after deciding that only one DK spec could have Frostmourne. And the skins probably took less time than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    I don't know how this pushing into normals and mythics with quests will end up working out.
    The same way it always does. In abject failure. For some stupid reason they think they can lure or compel people engage in normal+ raiding. It has virtually never worked to any large degree and has probably cost them plenty if subs re: wod
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  6. #566
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Like the title says,I'm sorry but not being able to do the two Artifact Quests in LFR is bullshit.

    The two quests I am talking about is In Nightmares and Essence of Power. These quests from what I been reading can not be completed in LFR.

    I tweeted blizzard to confirm and will post the reply when and if I get it.

    If that is the case then that is total bullshit. They are making NM+ raiding a requirement for people to progress there Artifact Quest Chain.

    Edit: Also no where does it state on the quests you need to do NM+ to finish them.
    So your main gripe is not that its tied to Normal mode, its that the quest doesnt state it is?
    well now you know so move on and accept it.
    Maybe a quest info/tooltip update in the future to solve your QQ
    Why would you think anyone on mmo would be interested in such a petty complaint, take to facebook? tweet it? snapchat it?

  7. #567
    The artifact appearance obtained through those quests is supposed to be for people who show a fair amount of dedication to PvE content. LFR in no way shows dedication (you can ignore the mechanics and win), so giving it for doing LFR would completely take the value of having that appearance away.

  8. #568
    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    The same way it always does. In abject failure. For some stupid reason they think they can lure or compel people engage in normal+ raiding. It has virtually never worked to any large degree and has probably cost them plenty if subs re: wod
    I can see the perceived benefit in putting out a quest that gets people to try a mythic dungeon to see if it's content they'd be interested in (why they'd pick one of the shittiest dungeons in WoW history, I have no idea...) but it does seem to have led to a shitfest in those mythics of people doing them with little to no idea of what they're doing, because a quest told them to.
    I fear doing the same to get people into normal mode raiding is going to create an environment where so many unprepared players go into pugs, that the requirements for getting into them quickly get ridiculous as a means of weeding those people out.
    Especially when it's not a "try this and see if you like it" quest, but a "do this raid 5+ times" grind quest.

    Which is why I simply think this quest should have initiated when you walked into a raid, not been handed out at the Guild Hall with the implication it was important to your character questline.

  9. #569
    Again, a cosmetic reward we are reserving for those who participate in organized, non-matchmade content.

    This is not something you, by any means, "need". And "needing" it on every alt, doubly so. If you desire it, then organize a raid or join a guild that will put you in their raiding ranks and dedicate the time to obtaining the items.

    We simply disagree that these skins should be handed out without dedication and challenge.

    I appreciate constructive feedback and discussion on this topic, and will discuss what's here with the developers once it's had time to settle, but anything that says "the world is ending" or "blizzard is killing their player-base" because not everyone will get a cosmetic skin is a bit of a fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekuja View Post
    jesus.... learn the fights, pug normal, join a guild.

    LFR is not raiding, it's tourist mode.

    Nothing is special anymore because everyone wants shit to be handed to them without even trying.
    Eh, I can easily get into normal (was offered a spot yesterday and turned it down, might have to soon now), but honestly, I just want to get it via Mythic+ which in the end is probably harder than normal raiding anyway.

    Doesn't help that a skin for something with very limited appearances is being locked behind content that the majority can not/will not do is pretty shitty. They should just suck it up and make it for LFR anyway for trying to deceive the playerbase.

    LFR is still raiding no matter how hard you plug your ears and close your eyes and scream otherwise.
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  11. #571
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Sort of wondering why they haven't just removed LFR yet honestly, it doesn't seem like it serves any actual purpose anymore with how insanely easy normal is.
    Because LFR still justfies raiding content and is the most used raid mode.

    The fact it wasn't removed with legion (Perfect time to as well) proves this in spades.
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  12. #572
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Sort of wondering why they haven't just removed LFR yet honestly, it doesn't seem like it serves any actual purpose anymore with how insanely easy normal is, how shitty the gear is, and how easy it is to find cross realm pugs.
    to pander to the world of queuecraft feeders that you see in this thread.

    Petition: call LFR bads feeders instead of casuals. It insults the casual playerbase by grouping them with these feeders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Sort of wondering why they haven't just removed LFR yet honestly, it doesn't seem like it serves any actual purpose anymore with how insanely easy normal is, how shitty the gear is, and how easy it is to find cross realm pugs.
    It serves itsnpurpose extremly well. You just have a misconceptipn of its purpose. It does not exist to be an easy mode raid. It exists to make sure the raid content the developers invest time money and effort into gets AS MUCH USE as possible by the playerbase. Its goal its is to allow the developers continued opportuontiy to develop and not worry about what everyone elsee is doing because they are doing lfr.

    The heart of the misconception is that lfr is basically 9nly utilized by a handful of bads when the reality is its use is far more ubiquitous than that. Attempts to limit that ubiquity (re: wod) resuted at least in mass susbcriber exodus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Well now. The elitism in this thread is something else indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikazz View Post
    Git rekt bad players

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Because LFR still justfies raiding content and is the most used raid mode.

    The fact it wasn't removed with legion (Perfect time to as well) proves this in spades.
    They are weaning the playerbase away from LFR and LFD.

    Learn to socialise or go play a single player game. It's not even intense socialization, just finding people who want to quietly do the content and enjoy the game.
    I may pay my subscription every month, but I don't lose sight of the fact that the other 4/9/24/39 people I'm grouped with pay too.

  16. #576
    Quote Originally Posted by kary View Post
    to pander to the world of queuecraft feeders that you see in this thread.

    Petition: call LFR bads feeders instead of casuals. It insults the casual playerbase by grouping them with these feeders.
    You should play Wildstar.

  17. #577
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Because LFR still justfies raiding content and is the most used raid mode.

    The fact it wasn't removed with legion (Perfect time to as well) proves this in spades.
    lol no it doesn't justify it. Mythic raiders carry this game with their double, triple, quadruple accounts. Much less they'd still make raiding even without LFR as they always had.

  18. #578
    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
    They are weaning the playerbase away from LFR and LFD.
    Ya totally. Isn't like they just buffed the shit out of both LFD and LFR loot.

    God I hope you was being sarcastic, otherwise you are clueless to the state of wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purebalance View Post
    lol no it doesn't justify it. Mythic raiders carry this game with their double, triple, quadruple accounts. Much less they'd still make raiding even without LFR as they always had.
    So you are saying blizzard lied? You do realize even if all the mythic raiders in the game had 10 accounts the rest of the playerbase would be much higher in playercount right?

    Your delusional to believe different.
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  19. #579
    Quote Originally Posted by lazorexplosion View Post
    You should play Wildstar.
    Pass. My guild played, got a couple firsts and came back to WoW. Why would I play a dead game anyway?
    Also, I like wow.

  20. #580
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    To be honest that's my main issue with it.

    If it said it then fine whatever (even tho I disagree with the choice). But to go into LFR and see the boss drops the quest item, Only to learn its on NM+ was a slap in the face. To those saying just do NM.....how about NO. For the past week all we have had on here is people saying NM is piss easy, so why even tie it to NM if its piss easy.

    Also to be clear I did NM (just the first boss because fuck the pug I was in) on day one. I don't care to relive that BS atm.

    If they want to lock the skin to a raid mode above LFR then just make it a drop off a boss and not a quest chain.
    Part of the ease of normal comes from out gearing it. I would recommend you finish all mythics and do a few mythic + runs to get gear. Aim to get a mythic +4 completed each week and you'll build up enough gear to be outgearing normal easily.

    The core of your complaint however, is that you cannot complete a raid quest without putting in the painful effort of raiding. LFR isn't raiding because it requires zero co-ordination which has always been the differential factor. Happy for you to see raid content with a heroic dungeon level difficulty but raid quests should be a reward for raiders.

    The point about quest text is fair, but that's not what you've made this thread about

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