United Nations panel says U.S. owes reparations for slavery, mass incarceration

[caervek]

Look a soothsayer who can predict the individual outcomes of hundreds of millions of people over hundreds of years!

This is a poor black child in America:


This is a poor black child in Africa:


Go ahead and tell me again that the one whos ancestors were taken to America got a bad deal.

[Daelak]

America is famously a country that provides more opportunity than just about any other nation, as long as you are willing to work for it. Most people aren't willing to work for it, so they fail and the US is not really set up to tolerate mediocrity.

This vision you have of the US was only true of a subset of the population that ensured no other populations of people could achieve, this isn't remotely true for the vast majority of the US, unless you are (probably) of the sentiment that the vast majority of Americans are lazy and unproductive.

[dextersmith]

The reparations could come in a variety of forms, according to the panel, including "a formal apology, health initiatives, educational opportunities ...*psychological rehabilitation, technology transfer and financial support, and debt cancellation."

A formal apology: The entire world has apologized since forever.

Educational opportunities: They already get admissions over people with merit by virtue of being black.

Financial support: Many already get welfare and section 8.

[cubby]

That isn't remotely true. Millions of African Americans are still locked into generational poverty because of racist and segregationist policies of the past.

This is true.

Q: Would they be worse off in Africa?
A: Yes, by a large amount.

But so is this.


This topic cannot be solved by one liners.

However, the UN has it's head up it's ass if they thing reparations will solve the problem.

[Daelak]

This is a poor black child in America:


This is a poor black child in Africa:


Go ahead and tell me again that the one whos ancestors were taken to America got a bad deal.

More sweeping generalizations from the soothsayer. Who are you to say how the life of a human beings who wasn't enslaved 400 years ago would be worse off? Who are you to say that subtracting the slave trade from the history of Africa wouldn't change the course of history for the continent?

[Kalis]

Systemic racism in criminal justice system...

Why are they in the criminal justice system in the first place? Are black people mostly innocent and being fitted up for crimes, or are they criminals that got caught?

quasi redlining due to the depressed nature of real estate in historically black neighborhoods make higher net worths impossible to achieve unless white gentrification, underperforming schools due to low property taxation

They live in shit areas, that is a shit area issue, it affects poor white areas as well.

high rates of incarceration make it harder to be gainfully employed, high rates of drug abuse, criminal activity due to lack of economic investment and business activity in the area.

So they fuck up themselves and that is the fault of others? You can't blame someone else if you are on drugs or a criminal.

[caervek]

Who are you to say how the life of a human beings who wasn't enslaved 400 years ago would be worse off?

Somebody who understands probability.

Who are you to say that subtracting the slave trade from the history of Africa wouldn't change the course of history for the continent?

Somebody who has read history and understands probability.

[Kalis]

This vision you have of the US was only true of a subset of the population that ensured no other populations of people could achieve, this isn't remotely true for the vast majority of the US, unless you are (probably) of the sentiment that the vast majority of Americans are lazy and unproductive.

No it isn't, you don't have to be a millionaire to have succeeded. Having a comfortable lifestyle is qualification enough and that is available to everybody in the US, if they are willing to work at it.

There are exceptions, mentally or physically disabled people for instance, but most black people are neither of those as far as I am aware.

[Daelak]

Why are they in the criminal justice system in the first place? Are black people mostly innocent and being fitted up for crimes, or are they criminals that got caught?



They live in shit areas, that is a shit area issue, it affects poor white areas as well.



So they fuck up themselves and that is the fault of others? You can't blame someone else if you are on drugs or a criminal.

They are a part of the criminal justice system because being deliberately forced and isolated into an inner city ghetto surprisingly doesn't create the best conditions for human beings to prosper in.

[dextersmith]

What about reparations for black on black killings and gang warfare? Reparations for black trespasses against other races?

[Kalis]

They are a part of the criminal justice system because being deliberately forced and isolated into an inner city ghetto surprisingly doesn't create the best conditions for human beings to prosper in.

Have they committed crimes or not? If yes, then that is their own fault.

[Beazy]

Honest question, why is the UN focusing time and effort on something that will never happen?

I thought the United Nations has real issues to deal with. Thinking the US would ever pay reparations to humans that dont exist anymore is laughable. I actually LoLed at the thread and thought it was going to be one of those misquote bashings from Orlong.

[Sodia]

More sweeping generalizations from the soothsayer. Who are you to say how the life of a human beings who wasn't enslaved 400 years ago would be worse off? Who are you to say that subtracting the slave trade from the history of Africa wouldn't change the course of history for the continent?

400 years ago?? That would be Irish and Indians not Blacks

[Dextroden]

Have they committed crimes or not? If yes, then that is their own fault.

Nah man. White people use their evil voodoo to force blacks to commit violent crime and do drugs.

It's reassuring to know nothing is my fault because of my skin color.

[Dragon Claws]

Who cares what the UN says?

This.

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[Northy]

The UN never does anything of worth for the people of western civilization.

[cubby]

This vision you have of the US was only true of a subset of the population that ensured no other populations of people could achieve, this isn't remotely true for the vast majority of the US, unless you are (probably) of the sentiment that the vast majority of Americans are lazy and unproductive.

But it's not. The vast majority of people living in the United States have access to clean running water, food, some kind of basic healthcare, and at least the opportunity to find a job and be secure.

Africa is the opposite of that. I'm not agreeing with either of you, but to say that people living in the United States aren't better off than the vast majority of people living on the African continent is being deliberately obtuse. And you aren't that way normally.

The issue of reparations is beyond bullshit. It's a nonviable argument that would never see reality in the United States.

Likewise, the racial divide in this country is a continual and increasingly difficult problem. But slavery reparations would not come close to solving it.

[Raptor With a Saber]

Wonder how much all those African nations are going to owe black people for starting slavery.

[Dextroden]

Pay attention to the fact that how long ago slavery was and people think they should get money or a reward of some kind. If for some goddamn someone decided to move forward, this wouldn't be a one and done. Every generation afterward would demand money for not being a slave.

This is one of the funniest parts.

[Belize]

It would be a bill that would be debated in the HoR and Senate and signed by the president, so it would be a de facto representation of all US persons repaying and apologizing to the progeny of hundreds of years of rape, enslavement, lynching, redlining, segregation, and deliberate generational impoverishment and incarceration.

But where does the money come from.
Tax all citizens? Only the whites?

You're still speaking in asinine generalities.