Why would you bring a DK besides grip?

[gambit998]

Bwhahaha say what you will dude i can push my numbers out........Elemental for instance (My main Spec and Class) isnt capable of alot of certain things required for raids. We dont bring unique things, all our utility is specced for which gimps our own survability ect. DO NOT THINK IT IS THE PLAYER. I have been the top DPS of my guild since BC. WOD was the 1st time i was unable to keep my spot and it has gotten better dont get me wrong they have fixed some issues but the core of the class is stuffed. Warcraft in its current iteration is Meleecraft, People would rather take an overtuned Melee than the undertuned immobile ranged. Other than Mages which seem to be there glorified children.

[RuneDK]

Rather odd then how the best guilds right now are all running double Unholy then, isn't it?

The 'cockblock' this tier is Il'gynoth- guess which class can make sure the ichor explosions hit the eye? Oh right, DKs. Everyone is still running with 6 Melee, just like last tier.

You realize kanj got sat last night and that unholy and frost are the two worst performing specs in mythic content right? Even your precious elemental is performing better.

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Because they're not that much into class stacking maybe

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Especially after all the time spent on splitruns and preparing for everything.

All I know is my salt mines are deeper than Kungen when he is nostalgic about Vanilla or Reynad when he gets beaten by RNG

Yea looks like I'll be starting my reroll this week and if there aren't any serious buffs next week to both specs I won't be playing this class anymore.

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Rather odd then how the best guilds right now are all running double Unholy then, isn't it?

The 'cockblock' this tier is Il'gynoth- guess which class can make sure the ichor explosions hit the eye? Oh right, DKs. Everyone is still running with 6 Melee, just like last tier.

What? A druids knockback can guarantee it. Unless you're talking about blood DK's who get rekt by bosses. One grip is only worth something to speed it up a little, or if someone is to lazy to move to the eye when they're fixated.

Guess some guilds are just more into class stacking.

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We dont need other classes coming in here and talking about themselves or doing some ignorant comparison without even trying to discuss the very valid points laid out in this thread.

If you are just here to spew out indigenous assertions " without even trying to attack our before mentioned points, then i suggest you play the class at mythic level, come back, discuss why we are wrong.

If you cannot do that, i recommend going back to your own class forum, as this thread is reserved for proper discussion.

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Yeah nice little echo chamber you have there.

If you are trying to spill bullshit like "my class is the worst wahwah" because of a stupid patchwerk SIM that places demo warlock at the top instead of real situation logs, then yeah no one is taking your whining seriously. You talk about ignorance while not even trying to see how you perform personally? Oh the irony of the FOTM player....

Saying that you have to mindlessly whine to blizzard to get +200% damage and be top dps at every encounter is clearly not how you solve issues. And you are NOT entitled to be top 1 dps, every clueless dps player in this game wants to be the top notch e-penis rider but the game doesn't revolve around you, everyone wants to be top dps, so there will always be changes of performance.

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So I'm a DK in Danish Terrace. So far i've been benched for 2 bosses on mythic, along with out other dk. If you refuse to believe we're in a bad position. Just take that as evidence.

Thats because these guilds are just blindly following the very same SIMS you all religiously adore. Meanwhile, several guilds are doing very fine with UH DKs on mythic level. Thats the difference between trying and quitting. You lot are not even trying, you fail from the start.

Being benched for a raid doesn't mean anything, it doesn't prove anything. Warlocks and spriests are sometimes benched as well because the raid leader is just a clueless moron.

[Sinzaram]

If you are trying to spill bullshit like "my class is the worst wahwah" because of a stupid patchwerk SIM that places demo warlock at the top instead of real situation logs, then yeah no one is taking your whining seriously. Y

You want logs. Here are logs:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/10/

37 Unholys, 2 Frosts

Dead last.
Draw your own conclusions.

[Deleted]

Are you really relying on first week data to assess performance? I'm all for upgrades to DKs but unholy is not performing bad whether you believe it or not, you are just using one log of overall damage knowing full well that this can change the next week depending on many things.

Is frost DK bad on raids? Yeah, unholy is not trash at all

[ShiyoKozuki]

Why do people think DPS DK's are bad?
DPS DK's are still performing top tier and one of the best DPS classes you can bring. Bres, lots of self sustain/survivability, asphyxiate, death grip ghoul stun, ranged interrupt, etc.

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lots of self sustain/survivability

r u drunk?

[goriander]

Why do people think DPS DK's are bad?
DPS DK's are still performing top tier and one of the best DPS classes you can bring. Bres, lots of self sustain/survivability, asphyxiate, death grip ghoul stun, ranged interrupt, etc.

Top tier? Both DK dps specs are in the bottom 5 in sims and bottom 2 in mythic logs (75th percentile).

[Cmx]

Why do people think DPS DK's are bad?
DPS DK's are still performing top tier and one of the best DPS classes you can bring. Bres, lots of self sustain/survivability, asphyxiate, death grip ghoul stun, ranged interrupt, etc.

a lold so hard at this, even trough my tears.

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Up to now, every top 5 world guild has used a DK Unholy in their team. They wont do that for no reason, because they have all 4/5 chars geared to step in for that. We are good, just play the freaking game.

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Up to now, every top 5 world guild has used a DK Unholy in their team. They wont do that for no reason, because they have all 4/5 chars geared to step in for that. We are good, just play the freaking game.

It's better to raid as 19 with a potato sack than raid with 20 and have one player hanging in the back m8.

Go look at the parses.

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Still no topic on US forums? Are there no US players here or what?

[RuneDK]

Well, the world first guild to clear EN brought two unholy DKs. Dont know why unholy players are being benched....would love to see their logs.

[Statix]

Death Knight mobility is a joke. Blizzard said that Death Knights should be slow, but deadly once they reach their target. Well, Unholy might be, but Frost is a joke, even after the buffs. At least give us what you promised, or just give us more mobility.

I love Frost, but I just don't want to level one because my mobility sucks.

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Well, the world first guild to clear EN brought two unholy DKs. Dont know why unholy players are being benched....would love to see their logs.

Can we see those DKs m8?

[RuneDK]

Can we see those DKs m8?

http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...exKillShot.jpg Can clearly see the names in DK red

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It's better to raid as 19 with a potato sack than raid with 20 and have one player hanging in the back m8.

Go look at the parses.

Like I said, every unholy DK in all top 5 world teams had geared alts ready to be swopped but they did not, why you think?

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http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...exKillShot.jpg Can clearly see the names in DK red

Also, its right here: http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/...81%D1%83%D1%81

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Like I said, every unholy DK in all top 5 world teams had geared alts ready to be swopped but they did not, why you think?

Because maybe damage went haywire with somekind of legendary set up, that's why. Seems like at least the UH one (the other is wearing his fdk set) has draugr.