Gamergate - OP updated 27 October

[Edge-]

Literally who the fuck are any of those people?

[Masqerader]

This is still a thing?

[hrugner]

This is still a thing?

Nope, this is an internet "gaming civil war reenactment" We all dress up in old fashioned avatars and relive old arguments with strangers. At the end we get drunk and argue about who really won.

[erthwjim]

Yup, its something that ended up running me off of Kotaku in Action. While there are still some people on that forum and in the movement who are liberal (or even just libertarian, I don't really care what their political alignment is), a large part of GamerGate has turned into a pro-Trump, anti-Hillary/Democrats movement.

Just because someone is anti-hillary doesn't mean they're pro-trump. My time is mostly spent on Twitter when it comes to gg and although there are the pro-trump people (IE Ralph) I wouldn't say it's a majority pro-trump. It's just that the anti-gg/sjw crowd supports Hillary so many are pointing out the same double standards she has that many of the anti-gg/sjw crowd seems to have, but they're not saying they support Trump. If anything most people in gg do not support either candidate from what I've seen, anecdotal for sure, but then so is what you see.

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Sweeping her "many misdeeds under the rug" there's that hilarious ignorance of reality that I just love with people like you these days.

Its not like the media is 24/7 pounding the drum of how much of a terrible candidate she is.

Perhaps it's the friends I have on facebook, but from what I've seen people are quick to jump on Trump and quick to make excuses for Hillary. Sure there are people that jump on Hillary too, but I see way more links to articles of people that accuse Trump of various "atrocities" than I do of Hillary.

[hrugner]

Just because someone is anti-hillary doesn't mean they're pro-trump. My time is mostly spent on Twitter when it comes to gg and although there are the pro-trump people (IE Ralph) I wouldn't say it's a majority pro-trump. It's just that the anti-gg/sjw crowd supports Hillary so many are pointing out the same double standards she has that many of the anti-gg/sjw crowd seems to have, but they're not saying they support Trump. If anything most people in gg do not support either candidate from what I've seen, anecdotal for sure, but then so is what you see.

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Perhaps it's the friends I have on facebook, but from what I've seen people are quick to jump on Trump and quick to make excuses for Hillary. Sure there are people that jump on Hillary too, but I see way more links to articles of people that accuse Trump of various "atrocities" than I do of Hillary.

We have two main choices that have been historically anti-speech so I'd say it's a fair bet that GG would tend to be against both of them on the average. I do see many tactics coming from Hillary's camp that are familiar from GG, so I do have a fair bit more loathing of her than is probably standard. It's possible that GG has pulled away from her more because of that. Trump I'm pretty sure wouldn't last a year in office.

My facebook is also mostly full of people willing to hand wave Hillary problems and fluff Trump problems up a bit. Which is weird since Trump is pretty handily shown to be a bad choice without the exaggeration and stifling discussion of Hillary's problems only seems to make them appear worse. I can't wait for this election to be over.

[erthwjim]

I mean, we've got some pretty firm details already.

I'd seen mostly speculation, yes he admitted he was some poster, but he also said the continued use of the username involved in shitposting was not him.

Which begs the question - if he supports Johnson why is he giving money to a pro-Trump group? Why does he think that this group putting up a few billboards is "innovative" in any way (that shit has been standard practice forever)? Why does he think that shitposting memes online is a "new" or "interesting" way to productively reach out to younger voters?

Assuming he knew it was going to be shitposting and memes and considering the one billboard they've made, it seems they're more spreading anti-hillary memes (as stated in your next post) then they are spreading pro-trump. One can be anti-hillary without being pro-trump.

They reported on it based off an interview where he told them, apparently.

Except that they do have the facts. He did donate to this group, fact. This group is engaged in shitposting anti-Hillary memes online (amongst other things). Fact. This group has direct ties to r/The_Donald and all the joys that come with that bucket of filth. Fact. And he admitted to Daily Beast that NibleRichMan was him on Reddit. He's now denying that, but why would he confirm it in the first place?

Yes he donated to the group, I never denied that, I think people are exaggerating said shitposting of Nimble America and linking Lucky to things that Nimble America did not do. Looking at the link you sent the organization was formed to bring shitposting to real life, this is where Lucky became involved. The shit posting on the internet existed prior to the organization, and the question here would be, where's the proof Lucky had anything to do with that? He donated to Nimble America, which said they would be engaged in shitposting in real life, and in that post you linked, they even made it a point to say that they formed Nimble America so they could shitpost in real life. So this brings me to my question again, beyond the one billboard, what has nimble america done as far as shitposting? Because as far as everything shows, Lucky only became involved when Nimble America began to exist, so how can he be linked to things that happened prior to its existence?

As far as r/The_Donald, I mostly stay off reddit, so no clue what it's like. And with Lucky admitting he was NimbleRichMan, I don't think he's denying he's that user, he's denying certain behaviors associated with that user.

The billboard (what an innovative new way to reach young voters!) was a part of what they do. They're treating it as a "logical" extension of the shitposting they already do online. See the webcache link above, including the first response to the post from one of the former r/The_Donald mods running the group.

Nimble America was created to do shitposting in real life, but does that mean that Lucky was involved with the people before they became Nimble America? Yes the people behind Nimble America shitposted on the internet, but Lucky was funding Nimble America, there is no proof he funded their behavior before the organization existed.

Who knows, but we do know that they're engaged in continuing the anti-Hillary meme shitposting. Which kinda undermines any legitimate work they may do.

I guess I'm at a loss here overall, but what exactly is so bad about shitposting? Perhaps I haven't been confronted by enough shitposting, but from what I see it's mostly just satire, memes, and jokes that some people might consider offensive. Why is that so much worse than the shit the candidates talk about each other to the media and in their commercials? Is it so much worse than the memes, articles, etc that people share with each other on facebook?

[Strangebrew]

(IE Ralph).

And ralph is largely hated amongst GG, including big GG names on twitter and KiA itself. The guy is a moron.
Even though the media loves to place him as some leader of GG, inclunding the Clinton camp.

Your post is pretty much spot on.

And in other news.
https://archive.is/to0pJ





This is is a review of a game where you well, drive fast cars.
I knew Vice was shit, but jesus.

[Gruffertus]

And for once you're correct, the only time Clinton or Trump is being brought up on KiA is because the media love to bring Gamergate into anything that is related to Trump and "white supremacists" and i have a feeling this is just krazy being heavy biased towards Clinton and not seeing that's why she get's brought up so much.

KiA is as political as it ever has been, in fact, the most prominent GG names that is well known around on KiA have been taking a piss at the whole alt-right movement the last few weeks.

I don't know how a sub-reddit that essentially just reports on various bullshit that is happening from media to SJW shit can be any more political anyways, for fucks sake, if anything is even remotely political, it will be tagged as such in the OP.

This is... did you read the link? I think you should maybe read it. You point out later that Ralph is not loved by GG - you accept though that this is a thing that's changed? Sargon and Milo would be other obvious links.

I'm not saying "Ye are all Nazis", by the way - from the start my position has been "These people aren't your friends, you don't have to follow them, they just want an army for an unrelated battle".

[hrugner]

This is... did you read the link? I think you should maybe read it. You point out later that Ralph is not loved by GG - you accept though that this is a thing that's changed? Sargon and Milo would be other obvious links.

I'm not saying "Ye are all Nazis", by the way - from the start my position has been "These people aren't your friends, you don't have to follow them, they just want an army for an unrelated battle".

I know it probably isn't worth your time to check on, but the general rules set most people adhere to in many GG venues includes avoiding people trying to milk GG with force of personality. In order to stay leaderless, and not be scammed, there's a strong push against people using their name in connection with GG. Sargon I don't remember any more, Ralph has been mocked pretty much forever as a leech and Milo is... he's trying to start a personality cult or something. It was nice to get some sort of outlet through Milo, but it was clear from the beginning that he wasn't doing it for our benefit.

Your concern is justified though, and it's why defenses on that topic have been built in to the GG process. Don't worry man, we get it.

[Strangebrew]

This is... did you read the link? I think you should maybe read it. You point out later that Ralph is not loved by GG - you accept though that this is a thing that's changed? Sargon and Milo would be other obvious links.

I'm not saying "Ye are all Nazis", by the way - from the start my position has been "These people aren't your friends, you don't have to follow them, they just want an army for an unrelated battle".

If anything, you are the one who should actually read up on things here, there was a huge blowback from GG when Ralph got arrested and media starting pushing him as some GG leader.

Milo is Milo, everyone know's his deal, i accept him as a voice against SJW bullshit and i think it's good we have him to drag these people out in the spotlight, but did he latch onto GG for fame? Yes, and he is a provocateur, everyone knows this shit.

Sargon, the guy who pissed of the alt-right movement and Trump fans by tweeting interracial gay porn at them for a week or two?
Yeah totes show we are totes a trump or right-winged movement.
Sargon never used GG for fame, he pre-dates GG, he became a "part of" GG because he shares alot of the same views as we generally do, not that he actually is a part of GG in the first place, same with thunderf00t.
Both of these came long before GG.

[tehealadin]

Indeed, Sargon and Thunderf00t, I watched their videos before GG become a thing. Though they are linked in some way- they speak out against the regressive left, and the regressive left and their politics are a thing with GG, people, wrongly in my opinion, claim that if it isn't explicitly related to journalism, then it is proof that GG is some sort of hate movement, whilst journalistic ethics is one part of it (including the spread of regressive ideology, which serves as the basis for many attacks on games and GG), it is also part of a broader culture war- people who want to dictate and put pressure on artists to ensure their art conforms to their demands, and these are the same people that Sargon and Thunderf00t take pops at.

And yea, Milo, no one is under any illusion that he gives two shits about games/gamers, it was just convenient for him.

[erthwjim]

And yea, Milo, no one is under any illusion that he gives two shits about games/gamers, it was just convenient for him.

Yeah, ever since he disappeared off twitter I really don't hear much about him except for a few quips here and there. He still exists, but his part in GG was because he's more interested in the larger cultural war, and GG is just one battle in that war.

[tehealadin]

and GG is just one battle in that war.

This is a good way of putting it.

[Strangebrew]

Gamespot at it again

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/09...e-links/12971/

[unholytestament]

That just seems like a stupid oversight.

[KrazyK923]

Hey remember when I said that GG has been co-opted into a right-wing movement?

Just go take a look at KiA and anti-sjw people who are normally level-headed (Like TJ, Sargon, Blaire White and Armored Skeptic) on every other issue just believing everything Julian Assange's absolute ridiculous claim that Clinton super totes going to murder him with a drone.

Or just the complete onslaught of CONSTANT anti-Clinton and pro-Trump sentiments.

Going to pull a South Park here:

'Member when GamerGate was about freedom of expression in video games and video game journalism and not about supporting Trump?

[hrugner]

I don't usually go to KiA, but I'm looking now and I see mostly censorship issues here. Posts deleted, shadowbanning, people attacked physically for their opinions. I don't know what to tell you.

[Misjudged Maaanwell]

Hey remember when I said that GG has been co-opted into a right-wing movement?

Just go take a look at KiA and anti-sjw people who are normally level-headed (Like TJ, Sargon, Blaire White and Armored Skeptic) on every other issue just believing everything Julian Assange's absolute ridiculous claim that Clinton super totes going to murder him with a drone.

Or just the complete onslaught of CONSTANT anti-Clinton and pro-Trump sentiments.

Going to pull a South Park here:

'Member when GamerGate was about freedom of expression in video games and video game journalism and not about supporting Trump?

too be fair, I haven't even seen any of this pro trump, anti Clinton shinanigans.

Though I believe Clinton spoke out against GG... an second not even the right wing acknowledges Trump as right wing.

[Yriel]

Hey remember when I said that GG has been co-opted into a right-wing movement?

Just go take a look at KiA and anti-sjw people who are normally level-headed (Like TJ, Sargon, Blaire White and Armored Skeptic) on every other issue just believing everything Julian Assange's absolute ridiculous claim that Clinton super totes going to murder him with a drone.

Or just the complete onslaught of CONSTANT anti-Clinton and pro-Trump sentiments.

Going to pull a South Park here:

'Member when GamerGate was about freedom of expression in video games and video game journalism and not about supporting Trump?

I read KIA every day and i don't see much supporting of Trump. There is some anti-clinton stuff now and then and it got more when her people started that pepe nonsense but the way i see it KIA doesn't like Trump or Clinton, if anything they are/were Sanders supporters.

And Milo isn't interested in GG anymore and it's been that way for months. He used it to get some publicity back then and now is more in the Trump/anti_SJW camp.

[erthwjim]

Hey remember when I said that GG has been co-opted into a right-wing movement?

Just go take a look at KiA and anti-sjw people who are normally level-headed (Like TJ, Sargon, Blaire White and Armored Skeptic) on every other issue just believing everything Julian Assange's absolute ridiculous claim that Clinton super totes going to murder him with a drone.

Or just the complete onslaught of CONSTANT anti-Clinton and pro-Trump sentiments.

Going to pull a South Park here:

'Member when GamerGate was about freedom of expression in video games and video game journalism and not about supporting Trump?

I see people from within gg attacking trump and supporting trump, attacking Hillary and supporting Hillary, there is no uniform view when it comes to what politicians they support, there's barely even a uniform view as to what GG stands for. Remember when GG was generalized and their individuality was not recognized even though there was a wide gamut of races, genders, political views, etc? Or remember when people were painting all of GG based on just few of the more popular people within it, even though there were many conflicting viewpoints. The people within GG have varying viewpoints, no matter how much you try to generalize it. GG does not share the same opinion of everything, even politics.