First presidential debate - September 26: Trump vs Hillary

[Paranoid Android]

Your opinion post has convinced me to ignore facts.

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage 2009 study.

“The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors, and baseline health,” said lead author Andrew Wilper, M.D., who currently teaches at the University of Washington School of Medicine. “We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease — but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.”

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...alth-coverage/

Yes. If say you are in a car accident, the hospital is not going to wheel you out of the hospital and let you die on the curb. The person you replied to, while anecdotal, he did not say he had immediate life threatening injuries.

Also people lost their insurance due to prior illnesses. One of the worst things about our health care system prior to ACA.

[Traveler Voltin]

The more people come up with asinine conspiracy theories without a shred of proof the less likely people will listen when they have a valid point.

That's the GOP's biggest issue right now -- they could find something totally legit on Hillary and a lot of people wouldn't listen because they'd just assume it's conspiracy #492983.

There's no reason to think Hillary needed an earpiece to feed her answers. She's an experienced debater who spent a lot of time prepping for the debate. Her performance wasn't nearly good enough to think she was being fed lines.

i love how people jump to conspiracy theories before even checking things out.
i went and looked it up. so far it looks like she had one but from what i have read no matter what it doesnt look good.

she was either cheating or had one for Anti-seizures.
in either event is bad for her.

[Lenonis]

What articles? Do share

My google search just yielded crackpot conspiracy theory fringe websites.

There are photos of Clinton's ears showing clear as day nothing is in them. Both her and Trump were wearing lapel mics (not sure why) so the box and wire down her back are obviously for that.

I really don't understand why when it comes to Clinton people immediately go full retard without even pausing at anything plausible along the way.

[Traveler Voltin]

What articles? Do share

this is the first one i read.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/was-hilla...-trump-debate/

its unbias so far with it could be this or this.
going to read another one now.

[Lenonis]

i love how people jump to conspiracy theories before even checking things out.
i went and looked it up. so far it looks like she had one but from what i have read no matter what it doesnt look good.

she was either cheating or had one for Anti-seizures.
in either event is bad for her.

I looked. You are full of crap and violating the forum rules by posting conspiracy theories.

[BrerBear]

Oh look, more vile post-debate spew from the Trump broodlings:
Eric Trump: It Took “Courage” For My Dad To Not Mention Bill Clinton’s Infidelity

“I mean, he very well could’ve looked down — and he said it when he came off the debate stage, ‘I wasn’t gonna respond to that question because I saw Chelsea in the front row and I just wasn’t gonna go there out of respect for her,’” the younger son of the Republican nominee told host Simon Conway of 1040 WHO Iowa radio. “And that was a big moment for me and probably will actually become, my life and this campaign, and probably will be something I’ll always remember.”

He continued, “I mean, he really took the high ground where he had the opportunity to go very, very low. And I’m proud of him for doing that. I mean, I’m really proud of him for doing that. And I think people recognize that. I mean, there are a lot of people who came up to me, including many in the media, who said listen, he could’ve just crushed her on that last question. And he would’ve probably hurt a family if he did.

“I don’t know, I think that took a lot of courage in so many regards and I think he really answered that well and took the high ground and kept the high road.”

I wonder if Eric thinks it was courageous when his dad fucked around on his mom?

[cubby]

i love how people jump to conspiracy theories before even checking things out.
i went and looked it up. so far it looks like she had one but from what i have read no matter what it doesnt look good.

she was either cheating or had one for Anti-seizures.
in either event is bad for her.

You're not reading the posts, you're just looking at them. The analysis is saying that the wire and device in her back for the lapel mic that both candidates were wearing.

The pics of something in her ear are as yet unknown - so read, don't assume.

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-secret-earpiece-debate/

[Lenonis]

this is the first one i read.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/was-hilla...-trump-debate/

its unbias so far with it could be this or this.
going to read another one now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT

Get an even remotely credible source.

Here are some other headlines from that "news" source:
http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/rise-of-s...fall-from-god/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/rick-perr...rig=diversions

[cubby]

i love how people jump to conspiracy theories before even checking things out.
i went and looked it up. so far it looks like she had one but from what i have read no matter what it doesnt look good.

she was either cheating or had one for Anti-seizures.
in either event is bad for her.

This is almost a precise example of how Trump has gotten so far. People like this just make things up and then can't be bothered to think, and therefore won't back down from an obviously ridiculous notion or idea.

Trump will lose for precisely the same reason. But the fact that there is even a chance he could have won will forever be a momentary black eye in the global history of the United States.

[Paranoid Android]

Oh look, more vile post-debate spew from the Trump broodlings:
Eric Trump: It Took “Courage” For My Dad To Not Mention Bill Clinton’s Infidelity

I wonder if Eric thinks it was courageous when his dad fucked around on his mom?

Its funny. I have NO IDEA, whose mom is to any of the kids. Are all three from the same mom? I know Trump has one from his new wife. That is it.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

I really don't understand why when it comes to Clinton people immediately go full retard without even pausing at anything plausible along the way.

That's Trump's general response to most outside stimuli, so it makes sense that people would try to emulate that.

[Lenonis]

The pics of something in her ear are as yet unknown - so read, don't assume.

I'm not convinced there is actually anything in her ear -- but if there were it could be a monitor so the candidates could hear each other and the moderator.

It's not uncommon for staged events to have the participants wearing monitors.

[DeadmanWalking]

and they call Trump supporters idiots.

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when its the whole entire comment section saying the same thing. it seems more than just bullshit but i forget everyone loves hillary here.

A whole comment section? Well hell why didn't you say so? Not just anyone can say shit on the internet! There is a dna test for lying dna, a required letter from your local pope as to the virtue of your soul and a committee of your peers that fact check everything you say before it can be put on the internet.

It's sad how low you guys are willing to go.

[Traveler Voltin]

You're not reading the posts, you're just looking at them. The analysis is saying that the wire and device in her back for the lapel mic that both candidates were wearing.

The pics of something in her ear are as yet unknown - so read, don't assume.

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-secret-earpiece-debate/

i am not talking about the damn mic. i didnt even bring up the wire and device on her back.

[cubby]

I'm not convinced there is actually anything in her ear -- but if there were it could be a monitor so the candidates could hear each other and the moderator.

It's not uncommon for staged events to have the participants wearing monitors.

Good point! I hadn't considered that issue with sound.

[Lenonis]

An earpiece for anti-seizures?

what

From the article I guess the idea is that some seizures are triggered by sound (not sure if true) and thus an earpiece sound machine could prevent those types.

[DocSavageFan]

Bullshit...

Because this exists:

https://youtu.be/GX35BZgYfWI

You most certainly didn't read what I said or have some relatively serious reading comprehension issues. I specifically referred to his anbivalent passing comment during the Stern interview conducted 7 months before the war. And I then referred to the Cavuto interview which was conducted 2 months before the war where he clearly suggested that we shouldn't be going to war yet and that we should being waiting on the UN instead...saying that the economy was a much bigger problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thwa...ature=youtu.be

Donald Trump: Well I’m starting to think that people are much more focused now on the economy. They’re getting a little bit tired of hearing we’re going in, we’re not going in. You know, what happened to the days of Douglas MacArthur? I mean he would go in and attack. He wouldn’t talk. I mean we have to, you know, it’s sort of like either do it or don’t do it…. Well, he’s [Bush] either got to do something or not do something perhaps. Because perhaps he shouldn’t be doing it yet. Perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations. You know, he’s under a lot of pressure. He’s, you know I think he is doing a very good job but of course if you look at the polls a lot of people are getting a little tired. I think the, the Iraqi situation is a problem and I think the economy is a much bigger problem.

In addition, we have Sean Hannity on record saying that Trump called in on his show and was adamantly against the war when they were debating whether or we should go to war BEFORE the war.

Hannity Confirms Trump’s Anti-War Stance
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/ha...ti-war-stance/

I'll tell you what's bullshit, it's you and your ilk taking ONE extremely brief, and clearly ambivalent, statement and dishonestly twisting it into something it isn't...and then totally ignoring all subsequent statements that don't fit your dishonest narrative.

[Traveler Voltin]

A whole comment section? Well hell why didn't you say so? Not just anyone can say shit on the internet! There is a dna test for lying dna, a required letter from your local pope as to the virtue of your soul and a committee of your peers that fact check everything you say before it can be put on the internet.

It's sad how low you guys are willing to go.

once again. this whole comment section has a boner for hillary.
so peace out assholes.


[Infracted]

[LaserSharkDFB]

There is no evidence that we could find, however, that he spoke against the war before it started, although we did find he expressed early concerns about the cost and direction of the war a few months after it started.

Others have looked, but no one else — including PolitiFact and the Washington Post Fact Checker — has been able to find any evidence to support his claims, either. Now, BuzzFeed reports that Trump indicated his support for war in a radio interview with shock jock Howard Stern on Sept. 11, 2002 — a little more than six months before the war started.

Stern asked Trump directly if he supported going to war with Iraq, and Trump hesitantly responded, “Yeah, I guess so.”

We don’t know if Trump still felt the same way in March of 2003. We do, however, know two things after having reviewed multiple news archival services in search of Trump’s position on the war:

Trump had a financial interest in opposing the war in the weeks leading up to the war. The Newark Star-Ledger, New Jersey’s largest newspaper, reported on March 12, 2003 that Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts planned “to sell $485 million in junk-grade bonds this week in an effort to avoid a cash crunch later this year.” The uncertainty of war complicated Trump’s bond sale.[/I]

...I'm sorry, is that your big evidence to say he was publicly against the war before it began, as he claims? That he had a financial interest in doing so? Do you even realize that speculation about why he may have opposed it is completely trumped by what he actually said?

People do things against their own best interest all the time. For instance, Trump keeps talking. If you really think this proves your point, you're pretty much admitting you have no idea how logic works.

[Lenonis]

Good point! I hadn't considered that issue with sound.

I used to play in the pits for community theater -- you'd see all sorts of wires and mics and such on the actors to ensure they could hear both themselves and each other during the production.

I'm really not sure why I'm bothering to even challenge this ridiculousness. It doesn't pass any sort of rational test as a valid hypothesis. "Hey guyz I'm gonna take 4 days to prepare for the debate and then have my lines fed to me via a secret mic and, oh yeah, I'm not really going to do a great job, just an above average one to make sure I don't come across as too good."